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05-26-2011, 03:19 AM #5067
05-26-2011, 04:52 AM #5068
One does wonder why you would go to the effort to buy a racquet at a specific weight and balance point and then play around with said characteristics in the process of regripping because you either don't know what you're doing or just for the hell of it...
05-26-2011, 05:22 AM #5069
so my point stands - it is apparently normal operating procedure' to spec up with lead tape included - this is no different to adding grips before speccing up.
it pretty much renders the whole process of measuring and balancing pointless.
Last edited by amleto; 05-26-2011 at 05:24 AM.
05-26-2011, 05:30 AM #5070
05-26-2011, 05:56 AM #5071
Sir, there is a difference. It is achieving the desired specifications for both weight and BP.
The TPros produced in your batch, the desired weight and BP range was: 85 - 88g, BP295-305.
By removing the lead tape off the handle, the racket is now around 80g, BP315. Neither are in the desired range.
05-26-2011, 06:06 AM #5072
05-26-2011, 06:08 AM #5073
05-26-2011, 06:28 AM #5074
1) The racket is not off-spec because it came from the factory like that. Nothing was altered after it left the factory.
2) The factory used lead tape on the handle to get the desired weight and BP. It is common practice and again not off-spec.
3) If you did not remove the original grip and lead tape, the racket would be the stated weight and BP on the label (+/-0.2g, +/-1mm).
4) Just about all the rackets in your batch (that I have seen) have lead tape on the handle to achieve the correct BP and weight. Based on the requirements ~85-88g, BP295-305; this is what they had to do to achieve them.
Your racket is typical, it is not a mistake.
So do not worry.
05-26-2011, 06:32 AM #5075
By removing the lead tape from the handle dropped the weight of the racket about 3-5g and increased the BP significantly. Now the racket is overall lighter by 3-5g but much more head heavy, maybe 8-10+mm
05-26-2011, 06:38 AM #5076
This just means that the industry's weighing and balancing is pointless - it is meant to provide a means to rackets - but you cant compare them as rackets with same spec but different amounts of lead tape wont play the same.
05-26-2011, 06:45 AM #5077
05-26-2011, 06:46 AM #5078
No one said it's a perfect world. This is why Yonex is "smart" using the "U" weight system and general terms such as balanced, head heavy, head light. They know making rackets near identical is extremely difficult to achieve. Being off by a few grams in weight and a few millimeters in BP happens quite easily during the production process of a racket. Remember, a gram is about the weight of a paper clip, very light.
For Panda Power rackets, we just try to quantify these general numbers, minimize the variables, as close as possible. But again, it's not perfect.
But we do the best we can. For instance, Panda worked from 3pm to 1:30am, came home and started answering your posts. It's 4:44am and Panda is still up replying. Don't think too many racket makers will do that for the customer.
05-26-2011, 06:54 AM #5079
amleto: Stop complaining. All companies use lead tape, I've had lead tape on other rackets before. On no Panda racket so far, btw. Adding lead tape on the handle DOES change characteristics of the racket, but if you KNOW it's there, and think it will play differently than one without, you'll always feel that way. It's called placebo. Anyone who knows a bit about engineering will tell you the shift in BP and weight caused by the lead tape will have an influence.
05-26-2011, 07:03 AM #5080
05-26-2011, 07:05 AM #5081
05-26-2011, 07:08 AM #5082
Next victim: Forza, no leadtape to be found
Given the wide range of bp and weight these Panda's come in, might the leadtape be the same each time?? (as illogical as that may sound)
In terms of rotational momentum I would agree but for purely the feel of the racket it can still make a difference
Last edited by demolidor; 05-26-2011 at 07:20 AM.
05-26-2011, 07:12 AM #5083
I appreciate dan's efforts and CS is definitely second to none. I am discussing a practice that is industry-wide but makes a mockery of 'comparison by numbers'
Dan - if the (your) manufacturers weren't allowed to add lead tape, would this impact sales due to 'bad' specs?
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