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12-05-2013, 02:29 PM #6631
PPro is 7.8, Rev is 7.9, TPro is 8.0.
So, more similar to TPro than others.
12-05-2013, 02:35 PM #6632
12-05-2013, 04:35 PM #6633
The Rev is only .1 less stiff than the PPro? It feels a lot easier to handle than the PPro of similar spec.
Would this make the Ultra K significantly easier to use than both in terms of power generation?
12-05-2013, 06:42 PM #6634
It was unanimous, the Pros and everyone else that have tried the UK preferred the more forgiving one (0.3 less stiff).
And the final decision to go less stiff was Panda's benchmark test with a dramatic difference: Panda's Helper smashing...
...with the stiffer one, smashes were good but very returnable with high, deep lifts.
...with the less stiff one, smashes were significantly harder and most needed to be blocked; a return high and deep was not possible because there was much less time to not enough time for Panda to react.
Granted Panda hasn't played much these days and Panda's reaction and timing is slower but everything else in the test was equal as equal as possible:
+Same baseline/benchmark person smashing
+Same shuttles, new AS50s
+Similar weight/BP rackets just different stiffness
+Same string tension and string (ZM62 at 30lbs.)
12-05-2013, 06:59 PM #6635
...these are rather ambiguous terms and makes it easier to generalize. This is for Yonex's convenience and also "enough" information for the typical badminton player back in the day. Imagine if Yonex had to weigh and find the BP for each of the millions of rackets it sold!
Within the last 5, maybe 10 years or so, the typical badminton player has become much more informed and most want to know more exacting details.
Rackets are made with a target stiffness but it's not exact, usually the stiffness range spans +/-0.2. So if a racket's target stiffness is 8.0, in reality it can be 7.8 - 8.2.
So, going back, Panda would not say the Pro is 0.1 stiffer than the Rev and the Rev 0.1 stiffer than the TPro. Those are the ideal conditions. Instead it should be:
Shaft Stiffness Approximations:
PPro: 7.6 to 8.0 (Target 7.8)
Rev: 7.8 to 8.2 (Target 8.0)
Ultra Kevlar: 8.0 to 8.4 (Target 8.2)
With all this said, the Ultra Kev stiffness feels on par with the Revelation to this Panda.
Last edited by DinkAlot; 12-05-2013 at 07:01 PM.
12-05-2013, 07:09 PM #6636
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12-05-2013, 11:11 PM #6637
12-06-2013, 03:23 AM #6638
Where can I order the REVELATION racket (I live in Thailand).
12-08-2013, 05:59 AM #6639
12-08-2013, 08:29 AM #6640
I would like to get one of those Revs!
Pls contact me.
12-08-2013, 09:22 AM #6641
12-10-2013, 07:29 AM #6642
under what conditions will the revelations be warrantied? friend wants some clarification but he's not a BC member.
12-10-2013, 03:48 PM #6643
12-11-2013, 11:13 AM #6644
12-11-2013, 02:47 PM #6645
QUOTE=Firefly;2174441]please although tell us what happend when your 35lbs string is broken! [/QUOTE]
Not much happened; restrung at 40+lbs. and the string bed was very tight. Played with it for about 3 days, then cut it and had to rotate all the grommets, then restrung at 31lbs. Racket is just fine last time Panda checked.
Last edited by DinkAlot; 12-11-2013 at 02:50 PM.
12-13-2013, 05:30 PM #6646
Can you do a brief comparison of the new Ultra Kevlar with the Revelation?
(My apologies if you already did this earlier in the thread and I missed it)
The more I use my Revelation the more I love it. It's simply the only racket in my bag that gets much play time anymore.
Looking at either getting a Ryoga Shiden / Custom V, or the new UK as my next racket to try out.
12-19-2013, 06:35 PM #6647
Sorry, Panda missed this post until now...
...The Revelation and Ultra Kevlar (UK) are different rackets.
1) The Revelation is an all-around, minimum drag frame. The frame drag is similar to an AT800-DEF, NS-9000-S/X. The UK frame is based on the AT700, a thicker, denser, relatively more solid frame. It's slower.
2) The Revelation is minimal material, max technology (woven frame and shaft), max performance racket. The UK is maximum material, relatively low technology (except for the Kevlar reinforcement), max performance racket.
So you have one racket using max technology to achieve max performance, while the other uses old, tried and true technology to achieve max performance.
3) The Revelation has a 100% woven graphite frame and shaft. The UK is made of a variant of Toray M30S graphite for the frame and a variant of Toray M40J graphite for the shaft.
The reason for the different graphite is because there is a fine line between stiff and feel. A good racket can be stiff with good response (feel). A racket that's too stiff can feel dead; try hitting a shuttle with a ping-pong paddle and you'll know what I mean. We try to achieve maximum stiffness with feel. We would rather have feel over stiffness as feel is the most important aspect in a racket (as always, relatively speaking). Since the UK frame is stiffer, going 40T makes it a bit too stiff with less feel. Going with a 30T frame makes it more forgiving, still stiff, but with greater feel...
...now couple the 30T frame with kevlar reinforcement and you have an even more stable frame. Hopefully the ideal or near ideal combination.
Some will prefer the Revelation, some will prefer the UK.
Panda feels, if you have good form and want max performance, the Revelation should be your racket.
If you have less than ideal form, want a max solid and stable impact feel go with the UK.
The Revelation is a precision instrument, the UK is a blunt instrument when you compare them. However, the ultimate deciding factor in badminton, as it has always been, is the user. If you're skilled, you can make the UK do anything the Revelation can.
As Panda has said before over and over, it's not the equipment, it's the player. The equipment can aid the player but it's the player that's the key factor.
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