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    Quote Originally Posted by PopsiclePete View Post
    We'll see tomorrow...Panda is very rarely wrong. This panda wannabe has been given many compliments on his new level of play with his panda weapon...aka my bamboo stick
    Sir, the UPro is a U2 with upgrades and improvements. It is definitely better.

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    wow...panda is working on stencils...hey dinkalot..mind do i ask? are you going to like...release a full set of badminton equipments? with strings and shoes and everything....

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    Quote Originally Posted by what07 View Post
    Christmas came late but it was well worth it.
    HAH and YOU were the one telling ME that I had too many Panda Power rackets when I bought 4 Precision and 2 UPro. Though granted, all the Panda rackets I have only amount to a third of my collection... but STILL! 8 UPro at once is close to $1K!

    I am definitely waiting for the Precision with clear coat frame and British Racing Green color scheme for better feel, which I like to term the "Precision+" I think that would be an appropriate name. heh Precision+
    and I will always and forever be waiting for the Revelation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportech View Post
    wow...panda is working on stencils...hey dinkalot..mind do i ask? are you going to like...release a full set of badminton equipments? with strings and shoes and everything....
    Only rackets, shirts and racket bags in the foreseeable future. Definitely not shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singnflip4life View Post
    HAH and YOU were the one telling ME that I had too many Panda Power rackets when I bought 4 Precision and 2 UPro. Though granted, all the Panda rackets I have only amount to a third of my collection... but STILL! 8 UPro at once is close to $1K!
    Well Panda may not have another Upro so I had to take as many as I need

    Precision Pro! With the new clear coat finish, now that'll complete the Panda line up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by what07 View Post
    Well Panda may not have another Upro so I had to take as many as I need

    Precision Pro! With the new clear coat finish, now that'll complete the Panda line up.

    Panda cannot believe you bought so many. Panda feels the need to send you something for your patronage.

    Please e-mail Panda, he'll think of something. Wow Ma, talking in the third person is so becoming but Panda guesses that's what Panda's do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Amen to that! The lack of graphics/decals is the main factor.

    P.S. You own more Panda Power Rackets than Panda.

    When the Panda Tournament Shirts are available, will be sure to send you one with your name on the back for free.
    DinkAlot, can you explain why the lack of paint on the frame improves its stability? In my mind, the only benefit of the lack of paint is less unnecessary weight on the frame and a slightly (though negligible) difference in overall frame thickness. The only justification I can think of is that the bonded paint weakens the surface layer of graphite/composite in the frame..

    EDIT: I read back a few posts and I can understand how a naked frame would produce more feedback/feel less dull. Still don't understand how it improves stability.
    Last edited by thejym; 01-09-2011 at 04:55 PM.

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    @thejym:
    I don't know if this would answer your question, but this is quote from dink about no paint on frame:


    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    PLEASE READ: Important information below…


    As stated before (maybe not very prominently or very clearly), the benefits of not having decals/graphics/paint are:

    1) Feel: without decals/graphics/paint you get better feel; the racket will feel more lively and respond better. A comparable example is your bare hand vs. wearing a glove. Your bare hand always has more feel. A raw finished racket frame has a similar effect; you are more in contact with the string and shuttle, minimizing the dampening/absorbing effect.

    2) More durable: the main culprit for string cutting/eating into the frame at the corner grommets are decals/graphics and paint. No matter how strong or hard the graphite surface is, if you have soft decals and/or a layer of paint, it softens the surface of the graphite. Decals are the main culprit; paint is significantly less but still a minor factor. A softer surface promotes faster grommet degradation.

    3) Power: energy transfer is more efficient. Because there is less absorbing/dampening, there is an increase in energy transfer resulting in slightly more power. Panda does not have any percentages, would need a math guru to calculate this. Calling Mark…

    4) Aerodynamics: no decals/paint/graphics = a slightly more aerodynamic frame as the frame profile is a bit thinner.

    Again, there are no definitive improvement percentages but since Panda knows many will ask, Panda will give his best estimate based on his extensive testing and basic math knowledge.

    Feel: 15% - 25% improvement
    Feel is the biggest gain. Panda thinks any one that tries a racket with decal/paint/graphics and an identical one without will notice immediately the raw finished racket feels/plays better; it will feel more lively/responsive.

    Durability: 10% - 30% improvement
    It’s very hard to determine this because there are too many variables. For instance, if you use thicker string and lower tension, your grommets will last longer. The worst are the thin string high tension users (Oldhand and Quasimodo, Panda is talking to you ). That absolutely eats into the grommets and eventually graphite because of the much smaller footprint (width of the string).

    Power: 5% - 10% improvement
    There’s a slight increase in power, probably not too discernible for most. Without all the extra layers, the frame can more effectively transfer power rather than absorb it. Personally, Panda doesn’t think it’s too significant. It’s the feel that is significant. Coupled with the improvement in feel, Panda thinks the power increase is magnified (to the user) more than actually is.

    Aerodynamics: 10% - 15% improvement
    This is noticeable. The racket swings through the zone more smoothly because the profile is reduced resulting in less drag.

    For an ultra aero racket it probably would not be too significant but since the Trinity is based on a slightly more aerodynamic version of the Ti10 frame, it should be noticeable.

    Conclusion:
    Comparing the Trinity Pro to the other Trinities, the biggest gain is racket feel; with the other improvements being insignificant to minor, depending on the person.

    Panda has met with/talked to over 30 professional players about rackets and all of them concurred, relatively speaking (assuming their desired string/tension and grip size), the most important aspect of a racket is the feel.

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    I just read that post actually, and it makes sense. Perhaps it's as I suspected, with the bonded layer of paint weakening the surface material slightly. I'm particularly interested because I'm a Materials Science & Engineering major :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Only rackets, shirts and racket bags in the foreseeable future. Definitely not shoes.

    Hmmm think he may be doing a jacket now as he seems to really like this design.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HCNY9dbLk4

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    Hi Pete

    I have 5 Ultra II

    If you have any interest

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    takamsda@gmail.com

    Quote Originally Posted by PopsiclePete View Post
    waaaaaaaaaahhhh

    I'm picking up the Upro tomorrow...but if like the U2 can you make me TWO more?! pretty pwease?! I pay you many money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Panda cannot believe you bought so many. Panda feels the need to send you something for your patronage.

    Please e-mail Panda, he'll think of something. Wow Ma, talking in the third person is so becoming but Panda guesses that's what Panda's do.
    Email sent. HEHE free stuff

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    Decided to rest my elbow for the next few week and just exercise so will postpone my Ultra review. No sense traveling down to Panda Land and not being up for all the training and badminton.

    From my limited time with it can safely say.

    Great feel and so solid.
    Like the look especially with black string.
    Good power and control.
    Stiff racket but nothing crazy. Good technique generates nice noises.
    I picked light ones so defense was quite good for an offensive geared racket.

    In comparison to the Precision it is another league as you have to elevate your game
    to maximize what it can offer. Precision is so easy to use there is no thought behind it
    and you are very relaxed using it. I am not used to head heavy rackets so had to be more alert. So timing and a sore elbow hampered me but did hit my hardest smash of
    the season with it. It does play heavier than it seems so please note that if considering.
    For doubles my 82g 298bp sounds tame but when you use it certainly isn't.

    Well a bit of a review after all but looking forward to healing up and trying some of Dan's prototypes when I go to visit.

    cheers
    when I go to visit

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    Gave the Ultra Pro (84.5g/294bp and 86g/287bp) a heavy heavy go around today (2:30PM-6:30PM, constant singles). Also played a bit with my Precision and T2v1 as comparison. However, I will not do an in-depth review for the following reason:

    This racket is beyond my abilities right now as a player. At least with ZM67 at 26lbs. This is a definite forewarning. If you can use this racket to its fullest extent consistently for a long period of time while utilizing 75% of your strength, go for it. I've always believed that in a serious match, play at 75% and with a racket that you can use fully at 75% (for various reasons) and I simply cannot do that with this racket.
    Here's a note on its stiffness: definitely stiffest racket I've used in a long time, definitely surpassing Ultra 2 and MP100. So, to my surprise, I can flex the shaft, but only at 100-115% swing, so it's a little draining to get a good baseline clear at this tension. But for doubles, where there is (ideally) no clearing, this negated. In fact, the stability of such a stiff shaft makes for very accurate and very precise drops, drives, and smashes, a must have in terms of the double game. Smashes take a little effort though, but as I am more of a control-type player, its not a huge factor. However, due to lack of ease, I'll be sticking with my Precision. It is still the most natural racket I have ever held, and in games, I want to worry about where I'll be placing my next shot, not how I'll have to swing to do so.

    This does NOT mean I don't like it. This has some of the best feel and control out of any racket I've played with. So this is probably my "lazy day" racket/playing with lower level teams. I'll keep the 86g/287bp at 24lbs in my bag for this purpose +smash practice, and use the other for clear practice. But for now, its the Precision for EVERYTHING with ZM67 at 29lbs

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    Ultra Pro will arrive on Malaysia shore soon .....

    People whoever bought Trinity-2 from myself or whoever would like to buy in combo (Trinity-2 + Ultra Pro), will have a very special price ....

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    Also picked up the Upro today and had a little fun at 30x33 and while I could not generate any sort of real power off of it, I felt the racquet was indeed a nice upgrade to the U2. However, I will say this, I actually do not mind the slight head-heavy feel to the U2.

    For now, I will keep playing in the hopes that I will snap the string very soon and go back down to 26x28 and see how I can play with it.

    Strung with BG65 purple string and it's looking rather nice accents the purple on the shaft rather nicely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maa2003 View Post
    Ultra Pro will arrive on Malaysia shore soon .....

    People whoever bought Trinity-2 from myself or whoever would like to buy in combo (Trinity-2 + Ultra Pro), will have a very special price ....
    Oh, that's cool but I'm sure it's over my budget.

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