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    In my opinion, you don't see women take jump smash opportunities often because, very simply, they aren't trained to do so. Why that is is something for coaching developers to consider. Potential injury is not adequate reason because all players take the same risk when they perform the same shot. I don't believe physiology is an issue because there are male players of varying bodytypes too. Has one considered why there are specialised male and female team coaches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post
    are you talking about Du Jing or Yu Yang?
    Actually I had XXF in mind -- no jumping, just like sliding her feet on the court... But she is really tall -- may be she doesnt need to jump

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    i think that females players can jump.is just that maybe in the early times professional female players did not jump so it has be come sort of stereotyped.THE FEMALE PLAYERS MUST BREAK THE TREND!!!

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    I have two women who really do jump smashes. Yip Pui Yin and Zhu Jingjing.

    Who says women can't jump?

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    Actually..the reason why women do not use the jump match to the same extent as the men IS physiological, but not in the way where:
    "Physically, women are on average slightly weaker, slightly slower, and possess slightly lower stamina. Women are on equal footing in reaction time and technique."
    While this MIGHT be true, it still doesn't explain why the top females, who are definitely fitter than the "average" man who DOES jump smash, do jump as much.

    Rather, the reason is that women have a lower centre of gravity than men, meaning that they have a larger portion of their weight distributed in their legs and below, as compared to men. This means that they must perform more work physiologically in order to jump the same height as a comparable man. Thus, women are not as efficient jumpers as men, so it would not be as beneficial for them to use the jump smash in a game. Even if you watch volleyball, a sport that is all about vertical jump, you'll notice that the women's net height is a lot closer to their highest reach than the men's net to a man's reach..

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    Yip Pu Yin is a usual jump smasher as you might know.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWNXD-5tyQ

    (e.g., watch around 2:17 for the busy audience.)

    As watching it, you will recognize the answer to the topic of this thread.

    Last edited by narnia; 06-07-2009 at 10:55 PM.

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    I don't know how it feels like, but if anyone wonder why women don't jump smash a lot... then try doing jump smashes while wearing a bra and put a couple of oranges in there, too I am sure you will then find out what the power of gravity really is like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananakid View Post
    I don't know how it feels like, but if anyone wonder why women don't jump smash a lot... then try doing jump smashes while wearing a bra and put a couple of oranges in there, too I am sure you will then find out what the power of gravity really is like.
    Therefore, we can only see some gifted women go for the jump-smashing:

    Yip Pu Yin, Yu Yang, Du Jing, etc.


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    Oranges in bras? Lack of stamina? Lack of fitness and agility because they are women? This is such a sexist thread and as a female player, I am offended by the crude jokes and lack of sensitivity as well as uninformed comments posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombads View Post
    Oranges in bras? Lack of stamina? Lack of fitness and agility because they are women? This is such a sexist thread and as a female player, I am offended by the crude jokes and lack of sensitivity as well as uninformed comments posted.
    I do not think that people are trying to be sexist here. If you look at almost all world record in terms of Speed (sprints), Stamina (marathons, swimming etc), you will realise that Men just tend to be better than Women in those fields... nothing sexist there.

    But then you can argue that professionnal female badminton players (which tend not to perform the jump smashes) are probably better than most recreationnal male badminton players (which tend to perform the jumpsmash) in all of those fields but they still do not (or rarely) perform this shot. Which leads me to think that its because of how they are physiologically built.

    I did the test with one of my female friends, which has about the same fitness level as me. We both jumped as high as we could and I could definitively jump alot higher than her, which is why I think this is caused by a physiological difference.... no sexisim intended here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananakid
    I don't know how it feels like, but if anyone wonder why women don't jump smash a lot... then try doing jump smashes while wearing a bra and put a couple of oranges in there, too I am sure you will then find out what the power of gravity really is like.
    Quote Originally Posted by wombads View Post
    Oranges in bras? Lack of stamina? Lack of fitness and agility because they are women? This is such a sexist thread and as a female player, I am offended by the crude jokes and lack of sensitivity as well as uninformed comments posted.
    What's wrong with my idea that yes... having additional weight in different areas of the body will be affected by gravity and therefore women "choose" not to jump so often? How is that not sensitive or sexist?

    So if women want to be treated equally in badminton, then why don't we take out the women divisions in badminton, and just have men vs women altogether then? say what? that's not fair to the women??? Then shut up.

    There will never be REAL EQUALITY between the two gender, until the day we have women piano movers, and men baby feeders.

    You don't like oranges? How about grapefruits then? or kiwis?
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    It's not really about equality, woman are designed to give birth, men aren't. It's easily twice as hard for a woman to become a great athlete then it is for a guy. They have many more limitations that men don't have to cope with, it's not fair to say a men are better then woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombads View Post
    Oranges in bras? Lack of stamina? Lack of fitness and agility because they are women? This is such a sexist thread and as a female player, I am offended by the crude jokes and lack of sensitivity as well as uninformed comments posted.
    lol............ITS THE INTERNET> PRETTY SERIOUS BUSINESS EH?

    lol no ones being sexist. Just highlighting the points as to why women dont jump smash. Stop crying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananakid View Post
    What's wrong with my idea that yes... having additional weight in different areas of the body will be affected by gravity and therefore women "choose" not to jump so often? How is that not sensitive or sexist?

    So if women want to be treated equally in badminton, then why don't we take out the women divisions in badminton, and just have men vs women altogether then? say what? that's not fair to the women??? Then shut up.

    There will never be REAL EQUALITY between the two gender, until the day we have women piano movers, and men baby feeders.

    You don't like oranges? How about grapefruits then? or kiwis?
    Thank you, Mr Sensitivity (yes, I am being ironic). I rest my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradmyster View Post
    lol............ITS THE INTERNET> PRETTY SERIOUS BUSINESS EH?

    lol no ones being sexist. Just highlighting the points as to why women dont jump smash. Stop crying.

    I'm so glad to see my points taken seriously just because I'm a woman. Not. Good grief, no wonder there aren't more women in this forum if this is the sort of attitude that is carried.

    Despite best intentions, if words written or said are found to be offensive, the polite thing to do is recant or apologise or at least attempt to understand the reaction. In this case, I responded to some of the comments posted in this thread for the very reason they were offensive to me as a member and as a female badminton player. Getting a hostile response, or being patronised and condescended to really does not alleviate the initial offense and instead, compounds it. (By the way, this is not aimed only at bradmyster)

    Now, the topic of this thread was about the lack of jump smash play used by female players, and I've given my thoughts about why this is so. How or why this topic degenerated so quickly into the familiar, and totally untrue, refrain of 'women are physically inferior' does not help further the understanding of how women players are developed in the sport, nor does it help male players understand their XD partners. In my view, any limitation on developing players, for whatever reason, is a disservice to the sport in the long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombads View Post
    How or why this topic degenerated so quickly into the familiar, and totally untrue, refrain of 'women are physically inferior' does not help further the understanding of how women players are developed in the sport
    I'm somewhat sympathetic towards your complaint, because some of the comments in this thread are rather unhelpful.

    Nevertheless, your wanting something to be true does not make it so. In any sport where strength and speed are important, men will outperform women. There are exceptional disciplines where women have outperformed men physically, such as the free-diver Tanya Streeter, who (briefly) held the world depth record for both sexes. Yet this is a discipline that selects less for strength and speed, and more for breath-holding efficiency and metabolic control: Tanya can hold her breath for six minutes; a normal person, were he able to overcome the involuntary breathing reflex, would be brain-dead after about four minutes.

    When making comparisons, of course, we must take into account the level of the players. I'm sure that Gail Emms has a much stronger smash than I do, but she's a world-class player and I'm not. She may even be able to bench-press more than I can, but she's a world-class athlete and I'm not.

    It's especially clear-cut at the top of the game, where the athletes come close to fulfilling their full physical potential. The men hit much harder and move much faster. You can choose not to believe that if you wish, but you'd be wrong.

    With that in mind, the question remains: why is it that the world-class women players perform "full on" jump smashes much less often than the men?

    But maybe we should take a step back and ask the more basic question, "Why do the women play so many clears?" If you watch a world-class game of women's doubles, you'll see a lot more clears than in men's doubles.

    Of course, these women also have powerful smashes -- but not powerful enough to punch through their opponents' defences at will. Defensive ability has relatively little to do with physical strength, so there's not much difference between men and women here (actually, I'm not sure there's any difference). Give these women anything less than a devastating smash to deal with, and they'll make you look silly in a heartbeat.

    For women's doubles, therefore, the smash is reserved for when they have set up the rally and are ready to do some damage. This requires clears and drops to manoeuvre their opponents who -- don't forget -- are less fleet of foot than the men. In men's doubles, however, the smash is so brutally powerful that it becomes the shot of choice; the top men can easily play an effective smash from right at the back; they also have the physical strength to keep playing jump smashes, one after the other.

    The women can play jump smashes, but in comparison to the men they can't hit as hard, they can't jump as high, they can't recover for the next shot as quickly, and they can't keep doing it for as long. All of these differences combine to make a jump smash a bigger physical investment for a smaller tactical payoff. Therefore you don't see as many jump smashes from women.

    Any of these women could beat me silly while playing with a frying pan and her dominant hand tied behind her back. They are awesome athletes, but that doesn't change the fact that the men are substantially better.
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    i do agree with gollum on the comments. Different choice of wording perhaps.

    anyway, to begin with, to my understanding, woman need to train much harder than men to be able to perform same level of physical activity due to muscle arrangement in most cases. Badminton in this case, requires speed and power, and perhaps double dose for jump smash as for the topic. anyway u get the idea.

    on the other hand, perhaps woman tend to do better at accuracy? i know that training a both newbie male and female basketball player, the female tend to be able to shot more points than male.

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