Thread: Singapore Also Can
06-18-2010, 04:18 AM #1956
I am sure all crimes, serious and the not so serious ones, are reported fairly and not biased against foreigners by the Singapore media. I am sure that may be the case with the Singapore news media, but here in Singapore Also Can, one gets the impression that only foreigners commit crimes, including murder, but Singaporeans are guilt-free. Is this the case, Loh? If so, how extraordinary!
06-18-2010, 04:27 AM #1957
06-18-2010, 12:02 PM #1958
06-18-2010, 12:15 PM #1959
06-18-2010, 08:24 PM #1960
Loh, what do I say above that is against Singapore. In fact your government is very professional, telling things as they are. But we don't get the same type of opinions here. Herein lies the difference.
06-19-2010, 02:07 AM #1961
Loh, here is a good example of transparency as shown by Singapore's news media, www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singapore local news/view/1064146/1/.html. This is a good start but to be caught unprepared is not excusable and points to inexcusable negligence, which means the head of PUB should be fired if he doesn't resign. I think modern Singapore means business and I expect it will step in revamp PUB, otherwise it will more of the same thing. For one thing, how can PUB allow yearly flooding of the basements in the heart of Singapore, as claimed by shop owners?
06-19-2010, 02:15 AM #1962
06-19-2010, 03:20 AM #1963
I am not a chartered Engineer but have worked with many. Engineers design drains and roads based on a calculation called "Rate of Return".
Eg. drains and channels may be designed for 20 ,40, 200 year returns. A 20 year return means a drain large enough to discharge water at rainfall levels at the worst encountered every 20 years, 40 year for the worst in 40 years etc. If you design drainage to cater for the worst rainfall encountered in the last 200 years it will be large enough to be a river.
The same principle applies to road traffic, that's why all roads have reserves for future widening to cater for traffic increase or using airspace above in the form of flyovers.
Freak weather caused by intense downpours yet to be encountered in the last few decades can lead to slower discharge and flooding and bottlenecks, it could be caused by global warming, therefore the emphasis in Singapore for a Green Environment.KL had been hit by this problem a decade ago when the whole of Merdeka Square was submerged about a decade ago.
KL solved this problem by constructing a famous underground "Smart Tunnel " which could be used for traffic diversion, but in times of intense rainfall, the tunnel is closed to traffic and is used to discharge surplus water to the sea.I think anyone interested in the Smart Tunnel project can check out the "Sunway Group" website. The tunnel equipment I think were re-built from dismantled parts of the machines used in the England/France Chunnel.
06-19-2010, 05:28 AM #1964
But the shop owners are complaining about their basements being flooded year after year. The recent great flood comes once in a while but something must not be right when basements get flooded every year. Instead of waiting for the PUB to do something about basement flooding shop owners might as well design and get their own pumping equipment to get rid of this annual nuisance. If the PUB cannot do it then self-help is the only solution.
06-19-2010, 05:31 AM #1965
What did someone once quoted about Henry Kissinger' Academic" criticism and not putting your money where your mouth is? I think watching football is more fun than mocking others.
Anyway flash floods in city centres are common enough I have seen enough in the UK when I lived there. Most of the time it could be overdevelopment and drainage systems not upgraded to suit new developments and is a very complex Town Planning and Environmental problem everywhere.
it is not about looking for scapegoats but upgrading of infrastructure.Do you blame the government everytime a quite narrow road gets jammed once in a while when there is an occasional gathering causing a traffic jam? Its about risk and safety factors in Town Planning and feasibility of solutions.
06-19-2010, 05:53 AM #1966
06-19-2010, 05:58 AM #1967
If you visit KL and stay in Jalan Sultan Ismail if you are unlucky you will find sometimes that the basement and the cars will be flooded once in a while. I think the area is far from the smart tunnel.
If you stay in Kuching, where the Sarawak river is below sea level everytime the tide is high the sea backflows into the river and floods the city.
Till today they have not worked out a solution other than abandoning the city. Maybe we can read some newpapers rather than consult experts and judge whether the government is to blame.
06-19-2010, 06:02 AM #1968
The smart tunnel acts like an alternate River Klang/Gombalk channeling water to the sea. River Klang is the only river discharging water from the Klang valley into the sea.
Smart tunnel is actually in 3 levels or storeys.
Anyone who wants to know more about never ending flooding problems has only to study a documentary on Venice.
Last edited by Bbn; 06-19-2010 at 06:05 AM.
06-19-2010, 06:04 AM #1969
Is the PUB aware of this? Perhaps Loh may want to see this anomaly resolved once and for all. Otherwise it sticks out like a sore thumb, right in the heart of Orchard Road.
06-19-2010, 06:10 AM #1970
Before you talk about pumps and jumping to conclusions, you haven't even studied the drainage system, is it a system of open channels, pipe culverts, box culverts or underground sewers? All different designs have different maintenance problems. It is not about pumping basements, LRT stations in KL are below the Klang river level but they have a series of gates to close the basements everytime there is a flood.
Basements designed below flood levels without gates to preventing flooding are archaic designs.
Here in this forum we have gods, better Engineers than Engineers.
06-19-2010, 06:14 AM #1971
Come on we are talking about modern Singapore. If New Orleans can do it-and they are below sea level for as far as the eye can see-Singapore surely also can!
06-19-2010, 06:20 AM #1972
Wow we have nonSingaporeans here more Singaporean than Singaporeans waiting for Chenhu to solve all their problems.
Whats that the Australian Minister of Innovation said about Australian businesses :
" Businesses like to Privatise their profits and Socialise their losses." Basements falling below flood level are always susceptible to flash floods, one solution is to redesign basements and at the same time improve public infrastructure.
I think Insurance companies will shy away from insuring owners from claims if their basements are not properly constructed.
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