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    "Ya the coaches or B level players should have a handicap or something. But wouldn't that go against your no age or gender difference in these tournaments free for all no matter will power etc. theme of survival if you exclude those players."

    Yes, I totally agree with this statement. For me, I enjoy playing with anyone who show up for the survival tournament, even if it LIN DAN show up . It's just the challenge i enjoy & the experience & a small fee lesson to pay for playing against someone who better---maybe you can learn something from them. The only ways to play better and improve your mental game is by playing with the BEST & Never Fears of Losing---->>You only lose if you stop playing. Enjoy the game.

    Survival Theme: I would like to stay with this idea w/out handicap--given equal ground among all players THAT ARE willing to carry on the CHALLENGE--THAT MAKE IF FUN. That the Soul reason why this is only $5.00 tournament. So we can improve our playing skill and meet new players and most of all have some FUN. I implement the consolation to give weaker player to have 1 more round of playing and a chance to Win a prize for 3rd place.

    Today, there a few participants telling me that is not fair to let the A-level coach to play in this tournament. But, i told them you are playing Survival Theme Tournament and not your typical A,b,c,d,e,f,g..level type of game. It up to the coach's conscience to decide whether he will play or not. Just like ABC HOCK LAI--will not enter, cause his conscience knows this LEVEL skill players are just too easy for the taken.

    "The younger/intermediate players can see and learn the game from a different point of view."------I strongly agree with Viper2005.

    I definitely enjoy my singles lesson today with the stronger players. I always learn or pick up something new whenever I play this singles game. I am not a singles player yet, but I am beginning to enjoy it more than Doubles---Cause I don't like to blame my partner for his mistakes & I enjoy learning from my own mistakes w/out getting YELL at in singles except for telling myself---"Why do you keep hitting the shuttle toward him, hit away from HIM.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
    ... Best out of 3 sets will be too much on the players Survival elimination--this will end up going over 5hr-6hrs.
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    Remember, we can only reserve 2 courts for our Tournament. So we need to make the best out of it.
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    This Survival pts system is based on the majority of the players here at ABC & we all agree on it. If we like to make any changes to it, we need to talk it over among all players who are regular SuperBird tournament players.

    The only issue that is on player's mind today is that for SuperBird single tournament: Coaches & Level A-SGVB or ABC players shouldn't be allowed to play because it like taking Candies from the children!!! What do you think?
    Quote Originally Posted by ionoo View Post
    ...Hopefully in the future the tournament can have more courts reserved or a little longer matches 1 set to 30?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper2005 View Post
    ...Having lots of different levels of players can make the tournament interesting.

    The younger/intermediate players can see and learn the game from a different point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
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    Today, there a few participants telling me that is not fair to let the A-level coach to play in this tournament. But, i told them you are playing Survival Theme Tournament and not your typical A,b,c,d,e,f,g..level type of game. It up to the coach's conscience to decide whether he will play or not. Just like ABC HOCK LAI--will not enter, cause his conscience knows this LEVEL skill players are just too easy for the taken.
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    - Main issues were the time constraint and the no. of courts reserved. Y'day, for example, the tourney went just a bit longer than the original estimated time of 3 hrs (2-5 pm). We reserved 2 courts with 20 people playing. We got the time barely fit in (a bit of a late start).
    - I, personally, don't mind seeing different level of players play against each other. As both Eddie and Paul mentioned, the lower level players can learn "something" from playing vs. the higher level players. Although i understand where the concern & argument lies on the level of competition, say if an A/B level player like Paul were to meet low intermediate or high beginner type players. Hmm, how to decide??..
    - I mentioned to Eddie a while back, maybe a 30 pts sytem is another option; 15 pts interval/switch side. I also played in a 30 pts-based tourney, just this past weekend, and i personally enjoyed it. It not only gives more chances of a possible comeback, but it also semi-prolongs a match, giving it that "stamina required" feel.
    - I also heard, from a couple of folks who played y'day, that 21 pts was too quick; add to that it's 1 game and done.
    - As for stamina being a factor, yes, as it's called the Survival Singles tournament, may the fittest player win..
    - Btw, Emily nearly took down Paul. And she was the only female competitor in the whole tourney. It's good to see that kind of competition as well..
    - Anyway, i'm sure Eddie can tweak or be open to other scoring systems/ideas for next time.

    A few suggestions from me:
    - Maybe reserve more courts? If players need to pay extra, let it be..
    - Maybe include a deuce system, which we didn't have y'day?
    - Maybe extend the score to 30 pts/1 game system?

    After we've given other ideas a try & the folks don't like that, then we can always swing it back to the 21 pts/1 game system. Never really hurt to try something different??..

    Overall, it was well ran and i think a lot of folks enjoyed it.

    ionoo, which one are you, what's your name??..
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    Thumbs up Bring the tourny to the next level of fun.

    Hopefully the tournament will attract more players, whether it's beginner, intermediate or advance level players.
    Having more levels of competiton will only promote the sport and attract other players to come and watch or play.
    Hopefully more better player will join and raise the level of the competition, but at the same time the lower level players shouldn't be intimated to join.
    Ed did a wonderful job organizing the event. Good job.
    Looking forward to the next tourny.

    - Btw, Emily nearly took down Paul. And she was the only female competitor in the whole tourney. It's good to see that kind of competition as well.
    The score was 21-20, yes... it was a very exciting game.

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    CTJCAD: A few suggestions from me:
    - Maybe reserve more courts? If players need to pay extra, let it be..
    - Maybe include a deuce system, which we didn't have y'day?
    - Maybe extend the score to 30 pts/1 game system?

    You haven't played in any SuperBird tournament YET??? But, you always seem to have so many Questions & ideas???

    Let me answers your questions:

    1)Maybe reserve more courts? If players need to pay extra, let it be..

    --->You need to understand that Paying extra not going to increase # of players, but it will become more problems and issues to deal with:
    -->This tournament is to promote Mental toughness & give a Fun Challenge for everyone. We all want to play in tournament, but the reasons most of us don't play because a) It too costly b) It running too long hrs: c) You have low % winning

    Yeah, I personally played at SGVB Summer Smashed 09 singles & doubles. I paid $25.00 to play per event. I played my first set of singles game at 1:30PM--> I loss, got to play 21pts best out of 3 rounds, but loss both rounds. So now I waited for singles first consolation: I waiting till 10:30PM--->That over 9hrs waiting time---->> I was sleepy & muscle is falling asleep. Same with the doubles--waited 4hrs for the next consolation!!!!

    -->>Honestly:$25.00: I could have played 5X SuperBird Events: That is 10 rounds of 21 pts for $25.00 instead of 2 rounds 21pts at SGVB and my chances of winning is less than 5% cause All TOP players like to drop 2 Levels Down!!! & players are extremely GoOd.

    Maybe include a deuce system, which we didn't have y'day?

    --->This what make SuperBird Survival Tournament Different from all other tournaments. WE want to give that intense excitement, when your score at 20-20, and whoever win 1 more pt. GEt the WIN......I was in this situation, WOW: it feel so good when your that person Catching that 1 pt. It like hitting The River card in POKER!!

    Maybe extend the score to 30 pts/1 game system?

    --21pts is enough, Why increase 9 more pts? That too much on the players & excitement level Drop. Do you really think it will make a different on the out-come????

    ---Remember: SuperBird Survival Singles & doubles game ARE played every 6 weeks. So Let keep that excitement. If you lose today, you will train hard and come back again for another challenge 6 weeks later to see how much you have improved. That the Soul reason why we keep it at $5.00--so we don't want to make people go broke playing SuperBird tournament Every 6 weeks. I personally love playing in tournament, If there is a $5.00 tournament anywhere that give MEDALS and WIN $$$$, please let me know: I am a Wal-mart person myself, and I hope to give Everyone the opportunity to have a taste of competition and excitement. If I ever Lucky enough to HIT the LOTTERY: FREE tournaments & PRIZES for everyone: I will Reward $50,000 for First place---Maybe LIN DAN will show UP so I can have 1 good smashed at HIM. I will be happy to take a loss to THE KING OF BADMINTON SINGLES.

    Also, We implement the Consolation for 1 round loss participants so Everyone will have a 2 rounds of 21pts. I can see all the players are exhausted and burned OUT after 3 rounds of winning......if you were there, you know what i mean. You need to put yourself in the winners 1,2,3,4 rounds than a full 21pts: best out of 3 games: You're looking at 7 rounds of 21pts within 3-4hr of playing time.

    hope to see you in my next SuperBird Event. Good luck.

    Eddie


    By the way, B@dEyes have played SuperBird Events 2X already: Thanks for playing SuperBird Tournament:



    B@dEyes told me the reason he can played in SuperBird Tournament because is not too costly and Less time consuming. And he enjoy the friendly groups and make new friends. And best of all he had LOTS of Fun.

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    Hi All:

    After the games, please do not just walk away...
    Let's have dinner together. At least we can hear your side of the stories "LIVE".


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    Thumbs up No Fear

    NO FEARS: A very cool picture, maybe we can Learn something from this Little Bird w/ big Heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B@dEyes View Post
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    ..Viper2005 is the winner of y'day's 2nd SB Singles tourney..
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
    ...--->You need to understand that Paying extra not going to increase # of players, but it will become more problems and issues to deal with:
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    --->This what make SuperBird Survival Tournament Different from all other tournaments. WE want to give that intense excitement, when your score at 20-20, and whoever win 1 more pt. GEt the WIN......I was in this situation, WOW: it feel so good when your that person Catching that 1 pt. It like hitting The River card in POKER!!
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    --21pts is enough, Why increase 9 more pts? That too much on the players & excitement level Drop. Do you really think it will make a different on the out-come????
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    hope to see you in my next SuperBird Event. Good luck.

    Eddie
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    ..no additional comments on the other replies; pretty much agree with them, esp. on the waiting period for tourneys (yes, i experienced it also before, just hate the waiting)..

    As for the above:
    - The additional fee will pay for the cost of reserving an extra court(s), should there be more players or if a different scoring system is an option.
    If 4 extra players actually had played y'day, the alotted 3 hrs time (2-5 pm) probably won't be achieved as there will be extra matches.
    What are the possible extra problem(s) or issue(s)?
    - The excitement is not missing in a 30 pts system. Yes, i was involved in 3 of the matches recently using a 30 pts system. It was a bit long, but it brought the same of excitement as a 21 pts system. One can also win 30-29. Just takes a bit longer.
    - The extra 9 pts will give those players, who are able to go longer, a chance to rally back should they trail.
    As for whether extending the match an extra 9 pts will matter much or make a difference, it will not make a difference or make much of a difference if the levels of the competitors are ocean apart. However, for similar level players, it should make a more interesting outcome if the pts are longer.
    One example is the Semifinals match between Richard and Vinson. I thought both players are relatively at the same level. I just thought, the outcome could've probably been different if the score had been up til 30 pts (Vinson had the stamina, but i could see Richard was inhaling more air).
    That's just my opinion (and perhaps i echo similar sentiments of others).
    - I'll probably be there for your next XD tourney, Eddie. I'll participate in one of your tourneys so you won't have to tease me abt "asking questions or ideas even if i have yet to play in your tourneys"..
    I'll come prepared with a skirt if you guys are lacking ladies players..
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    "I just thought, the outcome could've probably been different if the score had been up til 30 pts (Vinson had the stamina, but i could see Richard was inhaling more air)."--quote from CTJCAD.

    Glad you see the Big picture: The players are getting exhausted on Semi-final.
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    Final Score b/w Richard & Vinson:

    Richard: 21 pts
    Vinson:15 pts
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    Default ^^Yes, of course..^^

    ..players should be exhausted or near exhaustion by the Semifinals round. Isn't that the point of this survival Singles tourney?? that the fittest player survives??..

    Anyway, my point is, simply by implementing a different scoring system and making it longer, we probably could see a different outcome in that Richard vs. Vinson match.
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    Hi everyone! Sunday was fun. Nervous enough for me to put on a smiley face the whole time but fun! I didn't mind playing one game to 21pts too much, but this felt much better than waiting hours upon hours to play your next game. I also think it's a great idea to go eat afterwards as Rudy and some others did. By the way, thanks for the invite, Rudy! Too bad I had class early in the morning

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    Viper 2005 is Paul

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    how about 21 points old scoring system if you guys are looking for a hard core endurance match.

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    Time limitation, the tournament wouldn't finish in 3 hours.

    Even if using 15 point old system, some players would have a hard time against a consistent defensive player.
    Maybe the old old system of playing 3 games to 7 points old system.


    Quote Originally Posted by illusionistpro View Post
    how about 21 points old scoring system if you guys are looking for a hard core endurance match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper2005 View Post
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    Who is B@dEyes?
    ..the one who played vs. Vinson in the QF Rd.

    For his pic, check out the SuperBird's 2nd Doubles challenge tourney. He and his partner were the runner-ups to the winners (Sammy & Vinson).
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...t=72541&page=2 (the one in black tees).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper2005 View Post
    Time limitation, the tournament wouldn't finish in 3 hours.

    Even if using 15 point old system, some players would have a hard time against a consistent defensive player.
    Maybe the old old system of playing 3 games to 7 points old system.
    if it is oss, best outta 3 games 7 pts each sounds like good compromise between one set to 21.

    Next sb single tournament in 6 weeks?

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    I have talked it over to a few of our regular SuperBird Players about Best otta 3 games 10 pts EACH.

    Since You played in SuperBird Tournament: Please come to me 30 minutes before Game time, so I can ask Everyone If they want to stick with the 21pts straight up or best out of 3 games 10pts or 7pts System. The decision will be based on the Majority of the Players. Since you paid $5.00 to enter the Tournament--> Your voice will be heard, and We will bring that ideas to the Table for the VOTE. Thx. for playing & supporting SuperBird Tournaments.

    Eddie-SuperBird

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