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    How is it a clone manufacturer when they're branded as different racquets, play differently, are named differently, and are completely unrelated? Just cuz somebody relates a racquet to feeling like ARC10 doesnt' mean it's a clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Hong Kong players (like Yan Kit Chan) are using Li Ning.
    Not all Singapore players are using Li Ning.
    (For instance, Xing Ai Ying is using Yonex.)
    In yesterday's match, one player was using a Yonex AT-700 with a Li Ning logo stencilled on the strings
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    So brothers here, who is the player using armotec 700 with Li ning logo on it ?
    This was the taller player in the Singapore MD duo of Tang and Yi.
    I'm not familiar with their names but I think the taller chap is Liu Yi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deric Chang View Post
    IMHO, LI NING at the moment is nothing more than a yonex clone manufacturer but charging branded prices for their rackets. Too much of a rip off..... dun u think?
    I don't think so. China can make better badminton racquets than Yonex if they want to. As a matter of fact I was given a racquet from an unknown Chinese brand/manufacturer that surprised me. It was so much more powerful than my original AT-700 (the version Lin Dan used when winning the Beijing Olympics) that I was convinced enough to quickly sell my AT-700 at HK$700 with new strings. It is not only a more powerful racquet it was better made with better finish. But it is not cheap, considering that it was made by a comapny I have never heard of. It sells at HK$1,000, but I suspect can fetch for HK$2,000 if it wears the Li Ning name. But very few Chinese racquet manufacturers want to make such high quality racquets because they depend on massive volumes to make money, and that means producing and selling afforadable racquets.
    Li Ning can get away with both high end and low end racquets simply because of their new found sponsoring role. After all 50 years ago nobody would touch a Yonex racquet then because it was considered junk. But Yonex discovered the wonders that sponsoring can bring.
    I have often repeated many times that racquet manufacturers are low-tech industries. They are similar to bakers who bake breads. The really high-tech is in the materials that racquet manufacturers buy from prepreg carbon fiber specialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    I have often repeated many times that racquet manufacturers are low-tech industries. They are similar to bakers who bake breads. The really high-tech is in the materials that racquet manufacturers buy from prepreg carbon fiber specialists.
    What you say is right about racquet being made by baking.
    http://shuttle-house.com/page_top_EN...t_Factory.html
    he he.

    I'm pretty sure some material scientist from Tsinghua/Fudan are able to come out with cutting edge technology even if the tech is homegrown. Or even the University of Hong Kong (because of Jus sanguinis)

    However, one thing that I don't like is the lack of ethics in China, like blatant copying/reverse engineering. But given its own R&D expenditure, surely they must protect their own intellectual properties at some point. Maybe Li Ning is recouping its R&D expenditure, but I suspect it's more of a marketing strategy.

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    I wouldn't call LN rackets clones of Yonex, even though my N70 feels kinda like an Arc 10, it is still different from it, would you call all even balance rackets from other brands clones of Arc Saber or Muscle Power series? Or head heavy rackets clones of Armortech series? In the end, if one finds a racket they like, just play with it be it Yonex, LN, or an unknown brand....

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    i thought WL uses a N55?

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    I have the Li Ning WOODS N90, and the stiffness on the racquet is not as stiff as the YONEX ARMORTEC 700 that Lin Dan was using before. The shaft is pretty flexible... and with minimal wrist power, it gives a lot of power towards to shuttle. My friend personally got it for his store to display in the GTA area, and surely it is quite costy... i bought the racquet for $350cdn (including Nanogy 98 strings, strung)... I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet. I heard my friend saying that this racquet was produced for Lin Dan esp. for the Suriman cup this year... and some people were eager to find it in Hong Kong, and some in China aren't able to get one coz it's pretty much limited by the numbers they have made. Upon purchasing the racquet... it comes with a pretty fancy bag that lin dan is using for the Suriman cup.... but the bag is the smaller size than the one he use... the most racquets you can fit in the bag is around 2, along with a tube of shuttles and that's about it... no room for shoes or clothing that you might want to bring to the court with you.. so the bag is pretty much a souvenir.

    Even though the pricing is a bit costy, but you know if you can get the hang of a limited racquet, it's pretty much worth the investment (unless you aren't able to handle it... some people can play well with it, and some people can't.. depending on you skill levels and techniques).

    For those who are planning on getting this racquet... Good Luck finding one... i heard that finding the other ones are easy, but the Lin Dan one is esp. hard.. don't really know why.. that's what the boss at the racquet shop said to me. Aside from selling Li Ning products (which not too much)... he sells Yonex (badminton), Tactic (badminton), Butterfly (Table Tennis), and Tennis racquets as well as well. If interested, please visit the location below:


    JJ SPORTS SPECIALIST
    NEW CENTURY PLAZA (WARDEN & STEELES)
    398 FERRIER ST, UNIT 139, MARKHAM, ON

    The boss speaks mandarin and cantonese.

    Best Regards,
    Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream18 View Post
    I I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet.

    Even though the pricing is a bit costy,
    you might want to take some care with that racket. seeing how limited it is to get......

    i find it interesting that you find it flexible. i assumed that his specific racket would be stiff- extra stiff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jymbalaya View Post
    you might want to take some care with that racket. seeing how limited it is to get......

    i find it interesting that you find it flexible. i assumed that his specific racket would be stiff- extra stiff.
    Yeah i should take extra care of it.. i mean more extra care. As it is my primary racquet that i am using at the moment. Aside i have a MP100 which is also discontinued as well.. so either racquet breaking will be a pain in the ass.. hahaha... =P

    But i know sometimes it's unavoidable when people hit it more to the wall side when the court is small... and it's also unavoidable when you play with players that always want to hit everything and run around, but i'll watch around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream18 View Post
    I have the Li Ning WOODS N90, and the stiffness on the racquet is not as stiff as the YONEX ARMORTEC 700 that Lin Dan was using before. The shaft is pretty flexible... and with minimal wrist power, it gives a lot of power towards to shuttle. My friend personally got it for his store to display in the GTA area, and surely it is quite costy... i bought the racquet for $350cdn (including Nanogy 98 strings, strung)... I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet. I heard my friend saying that this racquet was produced for Lin Dan esp. for the Suriman cup this year... and some people were eager to find it in Hong Kong, and some in China aren't able to get one coz it's pretty much limited by the numbers they have made.

    Even though the pricing is a bit costy, but you know if you can get the hang of a limited racquet, it's pretty much worth the investment (unless you aren't able to handle it... some people can play well with it, and some people can't.. depending on you skill levels and techniques).


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    how about the head heaviness, same as at700 or at700 ltd?
    i didn't thot N90 was to be limited edition.

    is the condo court wall concrete? painted?

    350$, i almost pee'ed my pants
    do u get weekly allowances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dream18 View Post
    I have the Li Ning WOODS N90, and the stiffness on the racquet is not as stiff as the YONEX ARMORTEC 700 that Lin Dan was using before. The shaft is pretty flexible... and with minimal wrist power, it gives a lot of power towards to shuttle. My friend personally got it for his store to display in the GTA area, and surely it is quite costy... i bought the racquet for $350cdn (including Nanogy 98 strings, strung)... I can say that this racquet is pretty durable as well.... because the racquet has hit the wall several times because my friend's condo badminton court is not the regular courts... it's a bit smaller than the regular courts, so hitting it to the sidelines is closer the wall and stuff... so sometimes what happen is that the paint from the racquet comes off.. without seeing any damage to the racquet. I heard my friend saying that this racquet was produced for Lin Dan esp. for the Suriman cup this year... and some people were eager to find it in Hong Kong, and some in China aren't able to get one coz it's pretty much limited by the numbers they have made. Upon purchasing the racquet... it comes with a pretty fancy bag that lin dan is using for the Suriman cup.... but the bag is the smaller size than the one he use... the most racquets you can fit in the bag is around 2, along with a tube of shuttles and that's about it... no room for shoes or clothing that you might want to bring to the court with you.. so the bag is pretty much a souvenir.

    Even though the pricing is a bit costy, but you know if you can get the hang of a limited racquet, it's pretty much worth the investment (unless you aren't able to handle it... some people can play well with it, and some people can't.. depending on you skill levels and techniques).

    For those who are planning on getting this racquet... Good Luck finding one... i heard that finding the other ones are easy, but the Lin Dan one is esp. hard.. don't really know why.. that's what the boss at the racquet shop said to me. Aside from selling Li Ning products (which not too much)... he sells Yonex (badminton), Tactic (badminton), Butterfly (Table Tennis), and Tennis racquets as well as well. If interested, please visit the location below:


    JJ SPORTS SPECIALIST
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    398 FERRIER ST, UNIT 139, MARKHAM, ON

    The boss speaks mandarin and cantonese.

    Best Regards,
    Alan
    in sg N90 is not limited as Li Ning set up a counter at sg opens and selling all the model... and they soon going to open a shop in sg... but sure N90 is the most expensive racket that cost SGD $489...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    how about the head heaviness, same as at700 or at700 ltd?
    i didn't thot N90 was to be limited edition.

    is the condo court wall concrete? painted?

    350$, i almost pee'ed my pants
    do u get weekly allowances?
    The N90 racquet is pretty head heavy, but not as heavy as the AT700 in my own opinion... i find it less head heavy. From what i know that, the N90 is limited is because there aren't many of them made. Secondly, the condo court walls are concrete, damn... yeah one hit on the wall will cause paint to come off the racquet, but not bad enough to damage it though ...well, it all depends on the force hit against the wall, so i watch carefully before i hit, but sometimes just too close that you wouldn't know after you swing.

    Yes i do get weekly allowance, but the $350 didn't all came from my allowance. I actually sold like 3 of my Yonex racquets to cover the cost. I had a 2nd gen Ti10 sold for 100, MP99 for 80, and also 120 from my Tactic ArcStriker10 (clone of Yonex ArcSaber 10)... and all i had to do is add $50 bucks to the bill to cover all the expense. Having N90 as the primary is already enough... coz i can tell you if you get the hang of the AT700 meaning you can handle it.. i'm pretty sure N90 is no problem... but you'll eventually love it more coz it's more controllable, and more power as compared to the AT700.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xiaoheng View Post
    in sg N90 is not limited as Li Ning set up a counter at sg opens and selling all the model... and they soon going to open a shop in sg... but sure N90 is the most expensive racket that cost SGD $489...
    I am not sure about singapore, but one of the friends of the boss that i usually go to string up my racquets/where i buy my racquets in toronto, said that his friend went to find the racquet in Hong Kong but had no luck finding one... i'm just thinking he/she is not searching hard enough... well some people just tend to give up searching .... but as you know that Li Ning is not made for the international market yet (well at least not in canada yet)... so finding one here in Toronto is pretty much a hassle unless you know somebody from China where you can see if they can get one from there.

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    wow, you paid a premium for the N90, as it's basically $30CDN more than the N70, well.... less than $30 with discount... I would've thought it's super stiff which is why I stayed away from buying the N90... But you should be careful with it, wouldn't want it to break... I cringed when another player hit my N70... But have fun with it! Maybe I should try collecting the other rackets...

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    i wonder if anyone has purchased the Rocks N33. it looks quite amazing. the white and blue look perfect together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jymbalaya View Post
    i wonder if anyone has purchased the Rocks N33. it looks quite amazing. the white and blue look perfect together.
    Agree. But doesn't it remind you of AT600? Hmm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemcat View Post
    Agree. But doesn't it remind you of AT600? Hmm....
    enough, but not really. i just want to know if its even/ slightly head heavy, and if is maneuverable. supposedly its cai yun specific, so yeah.

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