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    it looks like oldhand is 'forced' to love the racket..
    btw, i would say the most important thing is whether the racket is worth our money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Last Sunday, I had a go with the Li Ning Woods N90 for a few minutes.
    It felt good... it felt similar if not better than the Yonex Armortec 700.

    From a pre-release consignment, I bought the racquet earlier today.
    And this evening, I clocked a few hours with it against some good players.

    And, by Lin Dan, the Woods N90 is truly impressive!

    First things first:

    It cost me SGD 440 (the sticker on the grip says SGD 489).

    It came with a single compartment Li Ning racquet bag.
    The bag is red on one side and black & silver on the other.
    It can hold up to 5 racquets and also has a narrow zipped pouch on the silver side. (Apologies for not posting any pictures but this happens to be an extremely busy week for me )

    Although this bag is exclusive to the N90, it isn't a great bag at all.
    Simply put, it won't hold much apart from your racquets and wallet.

    The discounted price also includes string and stringing.
    I had it strung with Yonex BG-80 at 31 pounds. (It was strung by the chap who manned the Li Ning booth at the 2009 Singapore Open.)
    I had asked for the Li Ning logo to be stencilled on the (white) string.
    Well, someone goofed up... they forgot the logo and also used yellow string!

    As I mentioned elsewhere, it is markedly similar to the AT-700 when you pick it up and hit a few test shots or warming-up shots. It feels pleasantly heavy and also tells you that you have something strong and solid in your hand. But the similarity with the AT-700 ends when a fast game begins.

    In the beginning, almost every shot will go out until your arm gets used to the new toy in your hands. But once you realise that you can do well enough with a much shorter swing, the accuracy comes into play. The shuttle still threatens to go out but it's a pleasure to see the opponent's dismay when it lands within the back box

    The 'sweetspot' appears to be larger than in the Yonex isometric models.
    The lower part of the stringbed feels quite dead when you forward-slice the shuttle but further up the head, the stringbed is as alive as can be.

    I don't know how well this racquet is suited to delicate touch play because the games tonight were all fast and furious. But if Lin Dan's recent prowess at the net is any indication, this racquet should do very well in that area.

    The Woods N90 is an absolute cracker when you clear or smash.
    Li Ning has got something fantastically right somewhere in the design.
    Unfortunately, I don't know what they have done to make it this good.
    Perhaps it is in the construction of the shaft, perhaps it is in the head.
    What's exhilarating is the huge punch it gives to your clears and smashes!

    The large fly in the soup is the racquet's price.
    Given that it costs twice as much as the top-end Yonex models, it requires a great deal of enthusiastic belief in the N90's capabilities to justify its retail price. I'd say that, at my level of the game, it certainly is too much to pay for the extra it provides.

    However, if Li Ning had priced it close to the top Yonex models, I would have said an immediate goodbye to Yonex. The N90 is clearly a vastly superior racquet, at least in performance if not in looks as well.

    In my view, it's only the novelty value that offers any justification at this moment for purchasing the Woods N90 at the price it's being offered at.
    I do agree with you that N90 is better than AT700. However it is slightly head heavier than the AT700. probably that is why it packs more punch. SGD440 is a good price.. I got mine free.. hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by ants View Post
    I do agree with you that N90 is better than AT700. However it is slightly head heavier than the AT700. probably that is why it packs more punch. SGD440 is a good price.. I got mine free.. hehehe
    woah free? so good

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    It doesnt comes often. Im just bit fortunate thats all.

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    It's always the same routine isn't it? Wether it's Li-ning, yonex or whatever.

    Every time yonex released a new model, or a new brand is popularised (sotx D600 anyone?) there's always this great flock of people shouting how much of an improvement it is over the rest of the rackets and how much nicer it plays compared to it's predecessors. The new technology really adds something, how could we've possibly practised this sport without it?
    Then, after a while (and I mean, a looong while, the arc10 is still on that level after a year) it mellows down a bit and people move on to the next, or stick with what they have.
    I've always enjoyed looking at new stuff and demo'ing rackets (I pretty much worked my way through all sotx models from 06 to 08) but after a while you start to think, haven't we seen this all before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby View Post
    It's always the same routine isn't it? Wether it's Li-ning, yonex or whatever.

    Every time yonex released a new model, or a new brand is popularised (sotx D600 anyone?) there's always this great flock of people shouting how much of an improvement it is over the rest of the rackets and how much nicer it plays compared to it's predecessors. The new technology really adds something, how could we've possibly practised this sport without it?
    Then, after a while (and I mean, a looong while, the arc10 is still on that level after a year) it mellows down a bit and people move on to the next, or stick with what they have.
    I've always enjoyed looking at new stuff and demo'ing rackets (I pretty much worked my way through all sotx models from 06 to 08) but after a while you start to think, haven't we seen this all before?
    I'd say the top end LN models are, certainly, improvements over the Yonex line.
    That's probably because the Yonex models were the starting point for whatever 'R&D' the Li Ning models have gone through.

    But it'd be hazardous to measure the improvement the LN racquets represent

    PS: I'm feeling robbed and let down after Lin Dan 'lost' to Chen Jin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Last Sunday, I had a go with the Li Ning Woods N90 for a few minutes.
    It felt good... it felt similar if not better than the Yonex Armortec 700.

    From a pre-release consignment, I bought the racquet earlier today.
    And this evening, I clocked a few hours with it against some good players.

    And, by Lin Dan, the Woods N90 is truly impressive!

    First things first:

    It cost me SGD 440 (the sticker on the grip says SGD 489).
    I was at Queensway shopping yesterday. One of the "usual" shops there quoted me 20% off the $489 list price, that is $390.00 with grip and string (BG66 or BG80). Still seriously considering now to buy or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson0204 View Post
    The second rkt I bought was their lower end model Ultra Carbon UC 2200B, Let me honestly tell you even this rkt is compare able to any of Yonex top end rkts.

    I will not call RMB480 (US$70-80) racket a lower end racket.

    Myself also interested about trying UC2200B, as the spec states its well balanced. Any detailed review regarding this racket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy View Post
    I will not call RMB480 (US$70-80) racket a lower end racket.
    to me, that is a high end.
    those li ning rackets seem so good, yet they are too expensive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by laivc View Post
    I was at Queensway shopping yesterday. One of the "usual" shops there quoted me 20% off the $489 list price, that is $390.00 with grip and string (BG66 or BG80). Still seriously considering now to buy or not.
    20% off with grip, string and stringing is a great bargain (but only if you believe that the retail pricing is right, to begin with).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jymbalaya View Post
    to me, that is a high end.
    those li ning rackets seem so good, yet they are too expensive...
    Well, I am waiting and see how much LN rackets will cost when they come to US...

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    Hey, can someone with a N90 and a camera take some decent photos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Tiger View Post
    Hey, can someone with a N90 and a camera take some decent photos?
    Try this thread:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=71986

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    Ah, looks like I missed that thread, thanks for the link.

    Still doesn't look like a AUD330 racket, but better than in the other photos I've seen of it.

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    I just got news today that the Li-Ning boutique in Shanghai (the store at Shanghai Indoor Stadium) is retailing the Woods N90 at S$450 after conversion from RMB.

    Looks like buying from Shanghai is not cheaper. So far the best price I got in Singapore currently is a shop in Queensway giving me 20% off at $390; followed by a shop in Bras Basah at 15% off at $415. Both with string and grip.

    Was advised by the shop in Queensway not to use the Li-Ning strings as the initial feedback from them has not been favourable.

    I am putting the N90 acquisition on hold as I am still unwilling to pay $390 for a racquet. So I have plunked my cash on a Gosen Roots Aermet Platinum Limited Edition and a Mizuno Tetracross 700 instead. My first non-Yonex racquets
    Last edited by aramistuscany; 06-24-2009 at 03:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aramistuscany View Post
    I just got news today that the Li-Ning boutique in Shanghai (the store at Shanghai Indoor Stadium) is retailing the Woods N90 at S$450 after conversion from RMB.

    Looks like buying from Shanghai is not cheaper. So far the best price I got in Singapore currently is a shop in Queensway giving me 20% off at $390; followed by a shop in Bras Basah at 15% off at $415. Both with string and grip.

    Was advised by the shop in Queensway not to use the Li-Ning strings as the initial feedback from them has not been favourable.

    I am putting the N90 acquisition on hold as I am still unwilling to pay $390 for a racquet. So I have plunked my cash on a Gosen Roots Aermet Platinum Limited Edition and a Mizuno Tetracross 700 instead. My first non-Yonex racquets
    It'd be interesting to find out who the source of this feedback is.
    It surely isn't local (Singapore) feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    It'd be interesting to find out who the source of this feedback is.
    It surely isn't local (Singapore) feedback
    Yes that thought did occur to me as I was also wondering as to the origin of that feedback unless they come from the Chinese National Badminton Team. They are the only entity I know of who has used them extensively so far.

    It may also be probably that I requested the N90 with the Li-Ning AP101N strings. I learned that these strings were developed specifically for the N series racquets.

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