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    Question Lee Yong Dae's new serve

    I was watching the final and semis for the super series final and LYD's serve now makes the shuttle spin in a way that it will be pointing almost vertically down when it crosses the net. Has anyone seen this before or know how it's done?

    Gill says that it looks like a legal serve with no double hit or striking feathers first. It doesn't really look like a slice either This is probably why MoBo were going crazy yesterday too

    It's around the 13:13 mark here.

    Edit: another example with replay here
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    Smile Lee Yong Dae's tumbling serve 2014

    Having won the recently finished 2014 Dubai SS Finals, there were many (what I considered were unfounded) complaints about LYD's serve from his opponents in the SF and F games, namely Boe/Mo and Hong/Chai, regarding that he causes the shuttle to tumble seemingly uncontrollably as it crosses the net making it difficult to address.

    So @Oldhand and @jyeung got my interest with some promise of slow mo replays of his serve, and I went searching for a few from the side angle.

    Please watch them at normal speed and at 1/4 speed (setting button bottom right of the youtube player) to appreciate the hitting/pushing action.


    As mentioned, it doesn't look to be a hitting action per se, more like a fast pushing action with some top spin with supination. Contact point looks like around 8-10 o'clock area about 1-2 inches from the frame edge. Definitely the cork is struck first and there's one single motion, so within the rules for service. On contact, the height looks to be below the navel/lowest rib area (which is where the elbow tip is with the arm at side), but because of the pushing action, the shuttle doesn't leave the stringbed until maybe 1-2/10th of a second later when it would be above the lowest rib. Still

    In the SF, they were at 10:47, 14:42, 14:55, 58:53




    In the F, they were at 37:17 and 1:03:09

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    Still = still looks legal.

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    what's special? i did this always if i met those who likes to push/drive starting from my serve.

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    Default What is Boe & Mogense complaining about ? Serve is legal.

    Had a careful look at video of Dae's serve. I do not think it is violating any rule and hence it is legal.

    Yes, bird is tumbling at a times too much, even causing it to fall short of service line. But it is meeting all the requirements of legal serve.

    What Boe & Mogensen complaining about ? Above Waist Serve or Double Contact ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vkokamthankar View Post
    Had a careful look at video of Dae's serve. I do not think it is violating any rule and hence it is legal.

    Yes, bird is tumbling at a times too much, even causing it to fall short of service line. But it is meeting all the requirements of legal serve.

    What Boe & Mogensen complaining about ? Above Waist Serve or Double Contact ?
    They were complained that it would be a double hit since "it was spinning so well"

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    It doesn't matter if LYD is double hitting as he is doing it with one stroke so it is legal. I suppose "caught and held on the racket then slung" rule is open to interpretation, and he is using a push serve and the shuttle does stay on his racket quite a while but applying this rule would be clutching at straws somewhat.

    With regards to LYD serve height. It's not even worth discussing, It's illegally high no doubt because it does not even come close, it is laughable. I could take any example but here is a Photo below as he is just about to contact.

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    As you can see the highest point of the whole shuttle is just above the metlife banner. if you follow that banner along to lyd and then go just above it on the body you will see that it is stupid high. If the rule was the whole shuttle need to be below the sternum then I would say yes this serve is legal, but bottom rib. C'mon people your bottom rib ain't there it is fact.

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    Very many top player serving that high especially also Boe and Mogensen

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    Quote Originally Posted by phalanx View Post
    Very many top player serving that high especially also Boe and Mogensen
    You could pull apart every pro's serve.

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    Can't remember who it was boe or mogensen but is it allowed to delay the serve that long?...

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    Yeah, Lee's serve height is not any higher than most others.

    But Yoo, he's practically serving from chest high half the time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exert View Post
    Can't remember who it was boe or mogensen but is it allowed to delay the serve that long?...
    Boe. But others like Ma Jin and Pedersen take that prize.

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    so how is he hitting it then?...

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    I think there are two aspects to this topic, first is whether the serve he plays is legal, the second being how he achieves it.

    I do not believe his serve is illegal nor do the umpires and service judges so I'm not going to go into that. What's more interesting to me is this serve of his. We have discussed before in another thread (gollum's spin serve thread?) that LYD has a very good serve. We've known that he generally plays two serves, the backspin under cut push serve, which he favours most of the time. But also ocassionally the top spin serve. However we also knew he puts a little side spin to the stroke which makes it even more difficult for us enthusiasts to emulate.

    What I believe LYD has started to do is to enhance the amount of side spin he puts on the serve ocassionally which is what's causing it to spin erratically as it crosses the net. But he doesn't do it all the time. He got it wrong a few times too making it fall woefully short. The beauty with this serve I guess is that even if you serve too high, it is still difficult for the receiver to attack. Would be interested to see a close up slow-mo of his serve if anyone can find one.

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    I believe visor made this?
    http://www.tubechop.com/watch/4405656

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    Yes, I'm more interested in how he does it than the legality of it, which looks fine.

    At those times that I mentioned in my first post, if you slow down to 1/4 speed, you can see a short sharp undercut push with an open racket face with an equally short sharp supination jabbing motion to destabilize the shuttle.

    @R20190 you're right, we discussed it with Gollum on another service thread, about how this type if serve is good, but not consistent. And we can see that Lee made many serves short and too high that were punished.

    Still would be interesting to learn it, even just for the sake of knowing how to do it.

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