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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament
    the problem is you need to attract the top players to come, seems that money alone will not be enough as the first (or last?) SS final proved that. another way to do it is to promote say 4 of the current SS to Grand Slam events like tennis. double the price monies and most importantly the ranking points that may make sure all the top players wanted to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    But the fan and the spectators would want to know how will the best player, LD, fare in their country's tournament
    if u can convince LN that would boost LN's sales in MAS/SG/INA big time, LD will come

    Question is, should chen jin, BCL and chen long come too or stay home?
    if these MS boys go with LD and LD win, u guys still says LD got assisted in winning the title.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    if u can convince LN that would boost LN's sales in MAS/SG/INA big time, LD will come

    Question is, should chen jin, BCL and chen long come too or stay home?
    if these MS boys go with LD and LD win, u guys still says LD got assisted in winning the title.
    LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wong8Egg View Post
    LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian.
    If you're going to insult bolehians, at least spell it right

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post
    If you're going to insult bolehians, at least spell it right
    hahaahaa my bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wong8Egg View Post
    LD can defeat LCW, TH, PG, but can never defeat the belohian.
    that would be my job
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    knowing how your opponents play is one thing while having the effective arsenals to beat them is a total different matter. LD can alway keep his pace 1 step ahead of his best opponent (TH,LCW, PG). Actually, i believe LD prefer a faster pace opponent as long rallies seem to bring the best out of him. If u watch the 09 SC MS final, LCW did at one point (2nd set?) upped his pace and LD happily upped his too. LCW later slipped back to regular mode after 2-3 rallies. Why? because it wasn't effective again LD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Han View Post
    These 2 players know each other games inside out so strategy is not the key to their success rather execution is the one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyapkf View Post
    The fact remains....LD is the stronger player. His only weakness is he is very impulsive and explosive...and make mistakes if provoked. Nowadays he is keeping his cool and this cut down on that weakness and make his opponent feeling the pressure because his defense is solid and attacking play is very sharp. To stay on top of him, you must be a very strong player in stamina, attack, defense and mentally strong. LCW is still a class below...and he need to work more on his attacking. You can see he is very good when he attacks but that he only got 1 or 2 good shots. He cannot keep attacking because his stamina is limited. When LD is able to counter his attack, he seems to give up attack and lose focus. He is not playing an offensive game and start to defense too often. He also makes mistakes because he is being pressured too much.
    ..pretty much concur with the above observations.
    I re-watched the MS Semifinal match between LinDan vs. LCW, in its entirety, and i must say, the only difference in that match was LinDan's execution or the way he was able to control the tempo & shots, whenever he wants to do so. LCW, on the other hand, seemed to be just reacting to LD's shots, at least most of the time. In the instances LCW was able to get quick points were when he controlled the shots and tempo; unfortunately, they were far few and in between. Also, in some instances, LCW showed little patience and that costed him a few errors.
    Overall, it was a pretty good match w/lots of very interesting rallies.

    Btw, i notice a couple of very close calls in that match, which if not mistaken occurred in the 2nd game. One of which, a line call from LCW's smash which i thought landed out but was given in favor of LCW, was really questionable.
    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    ...Now i read the new twist of whining is that LD can't win oversea.
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    ..he could win those overseas tourneys. It's just that he's had almost no success winning those in the SE Asia region; except the 2007 WC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    oh then if in this case its just LCW, then what about lin dan and all other top players?
    Then, they are all afraid to be whitewashed by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra View Post
    IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

    TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

    If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.

    So, if MJ never won a NBA final game 7 in MSG (in NYC, which to most basketball player, is the heaven for the sports), then MJ is not as great?

    LCW surely have no worry about playing in CHN. Because CHN as well as many other places, he can not win anyway. So, what's the difference.

    If Jakarta is really that important, then where there no "All Jakarta", and let it simply replace "All England" or WC? So, Jakarta is that much of a disadvantage for others, are you trying to say that TH's glory is actually "so so", because he has much better of a home court than others?

    Whether LYB is really chickened out abut INA or MAS is not important. As long as when he and LD do want to participate, they do win most of the time. They have enough collections of WC, AE, OG, TC, SC, UC (women team, of course), and no need to be too crazy about another ordinary SS title, like Swiss Open.

    Not like someothers, have to "shot gun" all the events, can come back empty handed 99% of the time when it counts. Or, a Swiss Open title worth a national celerbration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy View Post
    So, if MJ never won a NBA final game 7 in MSG (in NYC, which to most basketball player, is the heaven for the sports), then MJ is not as great?
    Not a valid comparison.

    LD can choose to play the INA Open every year whereas MJ's Chicago Bulls have to qualify to get to that extreme late stage of the NBA. Besides, the Knicks will never get there so this situation is more like a fantasy

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post
    Not a valid comparison.

    LD can choose to play the INA Open every year whereas MJ's Chicago Bulls have to qualify to get to that extreme late stage of the NBA. Besides, the Knicks will never get there so this situation is more like a fantasy

    Point taken. And I have to agree the part for Knicks.

    Ok, let me "downgrade" MJ "only needs to break every single MSG basketball related personal record". So, if he can not achieve some, then he's not as great?

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra View Post
    IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

    TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

    If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.
    what's ur point? TH never won china open or china masters either.

    the underlined part, it is so funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indra View Post
    IMO, LD is not as super as you have thought..As long as he has not won a title in Indonesia. LCW won once...so LCW in my opinion is A LOT stronger mentally and physically than LD...Playing in Jakarta is totally different from playing elsewhere. Jakarta is the "most extreme" ground of BWF SS.

    If LCW had won in Jarkarta before and was so important to show to others his stong mental and physical strength over LD, why is it so that LCW don't show his colors more in other more important competitions around the world, particularly records against LD outside of China?


    TH and LCW have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable.

    If TH and LCW really have no worry at all to play in China and other places where most Chinese players feel at home or comfortable, why are either of them not winning much competiton apart from Swiss Open?


    If the decision is up to LYB, it is because LYB knows that LD will not be able to handle the "extreme condition" in Ina SS.
    Maybe you could be right or maybe LYB thinks it is not worthly enough for LD to enter the competition to in order conserve energy for him to spend on more worthy competitions. In English football analogy, even Fergusion or Benitez will not let Ronaldo and Stevie G to play in all MU's and Liverpool's respective 38 games in the English Premier League. Afterall, Ronaldo, Stevie G and LD are not supermans .

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    Quote Originally Posted by laivc View Post
    Maybe you could be right or maybe LYB thinks it is not worthly enough for LD to enter the competition to in order conserve energy for him to spend on more worthy competitions. In English football analogy, even Fergusion or Benitez will not let Ronaldo and Stevie G to play in all MU's and Liverpool's respective 38 games in the English Premier League. Afterall, Ronaldo, Stevie G and LD are not supermans .
    To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

    Why:
    1. The weather is HOT
    2. The Crowd is HOT
    3. The prize is HOT
    4. The food is HOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra View Post
    To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

    Why:
    1. The weather is HOT
    2. The Crowd is HOT
    3. The prize is HOT
    4. The food is HOT
    HOT, HOT, HOT........

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra View Post
    To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

    Why:
    1. The weather is HOT
    2. The Crowd is HOT
    3. The prize is HOT
    4. The food is HOT
    Strangely, in the badminton world that I know of (don't know about yours), All England Championship is definitely more highly regarded by the professional players in the circuits as compared to say Indonesian Open or Malaysian Open. Maybe the reasons I can think of very lamely are,

    1. The weather is COLD (harder for players to maintain max capacity as the muscles take longer to warm up and faster to cool down)
    2. The crowd is COLD (harder for player to play to their max capacity as the crowd is not cheering behind the players all the times)
    3. The prize and title is COOL (how many badminton players in the world can claim they are All England Champions, which I think is pretty COOL)
    4. The food is COOL / COLD (personally I don't know why the food is even considered as a factor for the prestige of any competition. Maybe after LCW's "food posioning" incident, it is now a important factor to consider. As the elder Chinese always say "Avoid cold food, it will easily upset your stomach")

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra View Post
    To measure if a champion is a true champion can be seen from how many titles he/she/they win titles hosted by Southeast Asian Countries, especially Malaysia and Indonesia. Not All England, nor China.

    Why:
    1. The weather is HOT
    2. The Crowd is HOT
    3. The prize is HOT
    4. The food is HOT

    Errrr... This is the 1st time I heard that the SS titles over take the likes of AE, WC or OG...

    Follow your logic, the NFL champion should not be determined by super bowl, but how many W from Green Bay (-20'C weather during a good portion of the season), due to its weather and well known tough fan base...

    Then, NBA should cancel the finals, and let the champ to be determined by W from Phily and Detroit, for it's well know fan base and hostile environment...

    Well, well, well...

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