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11-04-2009, 08:53 AM #103
11-04-2009, 09:44 AM #104
CHN Open 2006 Final -- 2-0 (21-16, 21-16; I was there watching the match)
HK SS 2007 SF -- 2-0 (21-15, 21-12; see above)
Beijing Olympics 2008 Final -- 2-1 (the INA pair lost the first set easily 11-21, but they rebounded strongly in the second and third-sets 21-11, 21-16 respectively to claim the coveted Beijing Olympic title).
Then, Fu and Cai were split up momentarily and paired with Shen and Xu respectively:
Denmark SS 2008 Final -- 2-0 (21-18, 21-19) against Fu/Shen
French SS 2008 Final -- 2-0 (21-15, 21-12) against Cai/Xu
I am not trying to discredit Fu/Cai's achievements. In fact, I will see them as Kido/Hendra's strongest threat. They managed to win their second AE and World Championships this year. However, if you look at the matches involving these 2 pairs from 2006-2008, it's very clear that Fu/Cai particularly dislike playing against Kido/Hendra
Their body languange showed it, particularly in the HK SS 2007 SF and the last 2-sets of the Beijing Olympics 2008 Final. They simply could not respond to Kido/Hendra's style, which led to their downfall quite easily in those matches. Hendra simply outplayed Cai at the net, while Fu wasn't allowed to reign in freely with his attacks. I believe ye333 will agree with this assessment too.
I will be intrigued to see who will be the winner in a match involving these 2 pairs right now.
11-04-2009, 09:46 AM #105
Statistically, MK/HS is the best pair follow by JJS/LYD, FHF/CY & KKK/TBH. With the total of 34 Super Series played so far since the first tournament in 2007 their results are as follow:
MK/HS 8 titles
JJS/LYD 7 titles
FHF/CY 6 titles, and
KKK/TBH 6 titles.
Within the same period there are 3 majors (2 WC and the 2008 OG), and MK/HS got 2 of them.
Therefore, I consider them as the best MD pair for the last 2-3 years.
With FHF/CY the current world champion, I say JJS/LYD and KKK/TBH are equal third.
Last edited by AlanY; 11-04-2009 at 09:52 AM.
11-04-2009, 09:49 AM #106
11-04-2009, 10:59 AM #107
I agree that they were abit lost in the Olympics final , but now (2009) they have gathered themselve and results shown it
11-04-2009, 11:12 AM #108
Kido might lose a little bit of sharpness in terms of smashes due to his troublesome knee, but, Hendra is also becoming more all-rounded right now. IMHO, I still don't think that Cai Yun can match him at net-play, esp since Cai is getting older now As for Fu, the INA pair is adept at making him play in uncomfortable positions (such as in front of the net). As long as the CHN pair is prevented from implementing their fast-pace game-plan (which troubles most MD pairs), they can be beaten
11-04-2009, 01:48 PM #109
I disagree with your strongest threat comment though. Kido/Hendra has shown they can handle Fu/Cai in the past so it can be done. The more immediate need is to show that they can handle the KOR pair of LYD/JJS (at the very least, for the sake of sanity in BC)
11-04-2009, 04:43 PM #110
You forgot Denmark SS 2008 Semifinal, where as far as I remember, MK/HS beat Cai/Xu 2:1.
Anyway, if I remember correctly, MK/HS hasn't lost to any Chinese pair after July 2007, be it the Ace pair CY/FHF, the 2nd fiddle GZD/XZB and GZD/XC, the young star ChaiBiao/LiuXiaolong, or the scratch pairs Cai/Xu, Shen/Fu. Let's see how long they can extend this streak.
11-04-2009, 04:45 PM #111
11-04-2009, 07:07 PM #112
11-04-2009, 07:09 PM #113
11-04-2009, 07:26 PM #114
11-05-2009, 12:38 AM #115
11-05-2009, 03:11 AM #116
badMania's theory on certain pairs not being comfortable with playing styles of certain other pairs is not new.
Even the top pairs of the 1980s had preferences over playing against certain playing styles. For example, Chinese coaches Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi hated meeting top Indonesian opposition, and very much prefer playing Malaysian or Korean opposition. The Malaysian top pairs, in turn, much preferred playing Indonesian or Chinese styles, but not Korean.
11-05-2009, 04:35 AM #117
11-06-2009, 01:29 AM #118
Thanks guys for your interesting discussions on the subject.
As I mentioned many times, you can have your own measure. So, please don't forget to clearly specify your measuring method when you declare your strongest team.
Last edited by narnia; 11-06-2009 at 01:31 AM.
11-06-2009, 10:25 AM #119
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