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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    i am going by my recent experimental results on string tone. i have been recording the resulting vibration tone of different strings on different rackets. the ZM62 @ 21.5lbs ends up something like 1135Hz, and BG80@25lbs (not 24lbs) is around 1137. the feel of the string is as stiff. of course, at the point, i am just comparing with my best knowledge. no different strings will ever be the "same" as different tension. however, the stiffness do feel very similar by feel.
    Nice post Sir! This Panda agrees 100%.

    For instance, for Panda to get the approximate same string bed feel/stiffness among the different strings, Panda would string at the following:

    ZM62 = 27lbs.
    NBG98 = 28.5lbs.
    BG66 = 29lbs.
    BG80 = 29lbs.
    BG85 = 30lbs.
    MP = 30lbs.
    VS-850 = 30lbs.
    Mizuno ML-70S = 31lbs.
    ZM67 = 31lbs.
    ZM70 = 31lbs.
    NBP95 = 31lbs.
    BG70Pro = 31lbs
    BG65 = 32lbs.
    PG65 = 33lbs.

    So to put the extremes into perspective, if Panda strings ZM62 @ 27lbs., to get a similar string bed stiffness, he'd have to string PG65 (Ashaway Power Gut 65) at 33lbs., a 6lbs. difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    ZM62 = 27lbs.
    BG66 = 29lbs.
    BG80 = 29lbs.
    Just a quick question; do the listed strings have a "workable" durability for you, compared to BG65 at 32lbs?

    Oh and is the durability of ZM70 similar to BG65, at your specified tension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Yes, maybe you need lower the tension at the start...but then after awhile the tension will drop.

    Now you see how hard it is for Panda to rate equipment? Especially string because it has to be tried many times at different tension to get a true feel and understanding of the string.

    Panda had a similar situation with Victor's VS850. Panda strung the same blue VS850 at 30 and 33lbs. respectively on two T2s both 84.5g, BP290. Initially the 30lbs. one played spot on and the 33lbs. was numb, stiff...too tight. Panda didn't touch the rackets for about 3 weeks and then tried both again and the 30lbs. one played only good at best and the 33lbs. one was spot on!

    Panda suspected that tension was the cause so strung two other T2s at 30 and 33 again, initially, again the 30 was great, 33 a bit too tight, dead feeling. Continued to use them and the 30 got worse and worse while the 33 got better and better. Finally, Panda strung one more at 30 and initially it was great, let the 30 sit for a week and then it was softer, not nearly as good...again.

    Conclusion: For Panda, VS850 is ideal around 29-30lbs. Any lower, it doesn't feel nearly as crisp nor as good. At 33lbs. the string does not flex much and is too stiff. But stringing it at 33 and letting it drop to 29-30, it's ideal. Go figure.
    So is there a reason why you would not pre-stretch and then just string at 30 lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzzards View Post
    Just a quick question; do the listed strings have a "workable" durability for you, compared to BG65 at 32lbs?

    Oh and is the durability of ZM70 similar to BG65, at your specified tension?
    In general the thicker string still last longer but the thinner string almost always plays better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    So is there a reason why you would not pre-stretch and then just string at 30 lbs?
    Panda always does a pre-stretch of 10% except when stringing at a specific string's limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Nice post Sir! This Panda agrees 100%.

    For instance, for Panda to get the approximate same string bed feel/stiffness among the different strings, Panda would string at the following:

    ZM62 = 27lbs.
    NBG98 = 28.5lbs.
    BG66 = 29lbs.
    BG80 = 29lbs.
    BG85 = 30lbs.
    MP = 30lbs.
    VS-850 = 30lbs.
    Mizuno ML-70S = 31lbs.
    ZM67 = 31lbs.
    ZM70 = 31lbs.
    NBP95 = 31lbs.
    BG70Pro = 31lbs
    BG65 = 32lbs.
    PG65 = 33lbs.

    So to put the extremes into perspective, if Panda strings ZM62 @ 27lbs., to get a similar string bed stiffness, he'd have to string PG65 (Ashaway Power Gut 65) at 33lbs., a 6lbs. difference!
    how do you test the string bed stiffness?

    by playing with it?


    btw, how many strokes did the zm62 @ 27lbs last?

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    1) Yes, by playing with all the different strings, experimenting at different tensions, many times.

    2) If you mishit a lot, Panda would not recommended thin string unless you love the feel and don't mind paying.

    But if you are accurate and don't mishit much, then thin string is the way to go, as the ultimate feel cannot be matched by thick string (all else equal).

    As for ZM62@27lbs. for Panda., it holds up fine unless Panda mishits. Recently Panda has been very accurate (compared to himself) and not broken string much at all. For example, Panda used to break 20+ strings a month. Now maybe 3-4 a month. All this from hitting much more accurately...and OK, much less smashing.

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    how do you test the string bed stiffness?

    by playing with it?


    btw, how many strokes did the zm62 @ 27lbs last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Panda always does a pre-stretch of 10% except when stringing at a specific string's limit.
    That would mean that the VS850 will stretch by about 10% after it has been pre-stretched by 10%, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    That would mean that the VS850 will stretch by about 10% after it has been pre-stretched by 10%, right?
    No, pre-stretch doesn't have anything to do with the potential or ultimate stretch (elasticity) of the string.

    Pre-stretching is used to help minimize the slack/creep of the string which translates into tension loss after stringing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    No, pre-stretch doesn't have anything to do with the potential or ultimate stretch (elasticity) of the string.

    Pre-stretching is used to help minimize the slack/creep of the string which translates into tension loss after stringing.
    Ah! Thanks for the explaination. Now I get it! So much to learn...

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    thinking of stringing my ARC10 with ZM62@27lbs. am i crazy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    thinking of stringing my ARC10 with ZM62@27lbs. am i crazy?
    No, it's schweeeeet! It's what Panda strings ZM62 at. ZM62 at 27 feels like BG65 at 30-31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    No, it's schweeeeet! It's what Panda strings ZM62 at. ZM62 at 27 feels like BG65 at 30-31.
    Yes, omg, a demo ver of the trinity v1 had zm62 at 27lbs. it was like, *tap*.. -> *booom*..

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    alright, flicking on the power switch....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    alright, flicking on the power switch....
    done.

    dang, 1296Hz. highest i have ever recorded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    done.

    dang, 1296Hz. highest i have ever recorded.
    That's a high pitch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1200Hz.ogg

    But what does it play like for you? (My Trinity is scheduled for re-stringing tomorrow.....tell me if I should get brave)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fidget View Post
    That's a high pitch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1200Hz.ogg

    But what does it play like for you? (My Trinity is scheduled for re-stringing tomorrow.....tell me if I should get brave)
    i don't know. i will tell you on Tuesday. first time i have strung something so high pitched.

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