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    Default Modified "Around the World" pattern for badminton

    Dear Members,

    Since there are so many post on this subject in the threads it does not belong. I decided to start 1 up so people have a place to post it. However, IMHO, this pattern do not and will not play as good as other practiced patterns.

    This is for regular racquets only. It will not work for newer Yonex racquet with B7 single pass grommet with out replacing the grommet or damage the grommet. Please refer to Yonex pattern for grommet positions. A is for top and B is for throat.

    For the mains:
    String up the mains like the regular pattern. Stop on A9 and tide off on A7 on both side.
    For the 2 side mains:
    Starting knot on B6 and start on B12 through A11. Then into A10 through B10 on the starting side. Go through B8 and cross to B8 on the other side. Go into B12 on the second side and through A11. Go into A10 and through B10.
    Crosses
    Start crosses on B9 and finish like a regular cross.

    Yes, it is not exactly around the world, it does a U.

    You can try it, I will tell you it loss main tension faster, plays so so. Been there, done that.

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    1) Why would you reuse gut?
    Guts are expensive. Often time tennis player use 1 piece method with gut. Depend on where the string break, the string might be long enough for 1/2 string job. So you keep the string in good condition for hybrid string job. Also, guts plays better pre-stretched. So if the guts comes from a crank machine job. It does the pre-stretch for me already. 2) How are you gonna tie knots on used string using ATW?
    For tennis, please refer to your USRSA seminar. Basically, you tie off the string with 1 main short on each side. Starting knot on the other end then work on your around the world.
    3) ATW is a 1 pc string pattern, whole purpose to use ATW is to tie your cross, so you have even tension loss kinda like that Haribito pattern, for people who like to string top to bottom, which really is not recommended.
    Not really, in tennis people use ATW for different reasons. IMHO, if a tennis player ask me to do 1 piece ATW that is not playing at Pro-Am level, I would ask why...

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    the only guy who told me about the ATW jargon was from a tennis stringer who does badminton on the side. (IMO, he does poor badminton stringing jobs although he had strung for Canadian (badminton) Opens before as well so that prove my point about big tournament stringers)
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    I know only one person who does atw for badminton: but he does it exactly because he wants to string top-down (because of his stringing machine, which has some difficulties at the top).
    However, he does a one-piece, without the extra 10% on the crosses.
    the short side does 9 mains, tied off at the top.
    the long side does 8 mains, 2 crosses, then 2 mains again, then a lot of crosses, and ends with the last two mains...
    Or something along those lines.

    It has pros and cons, the shared grommets on top are all very easy to do, no awl required, but no way to add 10%, and the last couple of mains aren't that tight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    the only guy who told me about the ATW jargon was from a tennis stringer who does badminton on the side. (IMO, he does poor badminton stringing jobs although he had strung for Canadian (badminton) Opens before as well so that prove my point about big tournament stringers)
    That is why American stringers are better. They are badminton specialist stringers turned professional tennis stringers. Better to go badminton to tennis than other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentheart View Post
    Dear Members,

    Since there are so many post on this subject in the threads it does not belong. I decided to start 1 up so people have a place to post it. However, IMHO, this pattern do not and will not play as good as other practiced patterns.

    This is for regular racquets only. It will not work for newer Yonex racquet with B7 single pass grommet with out replacing the grommet or damage the grommet. Please refer to Yonex pattern for grommet positions. A is for top and B is for throat.

    For the mains:
    String up the mains like the regular pattern. Stop on A9 and tide off on A7 on both side.
    For the 2 side mains:
    Starting knot on B6 and start on B12 through A11. Then into A10 through B10 on the starting side. Go through B8 and cross to B8 on the other side. Go into B12 on the second side and through A11. Go into A10 and through B10.
    Crosses
    Start crosses on B9 and finish like a regular cross.

    Yes, it is not exactly around the world, it does a U.

    You can try it, I will tell you it loss main tension faster, plays so so. Been there, done that.
    I would never recommend it but this is what I would do if I was EXPERIMENTING doing ATW on a MP 99:
    Left side short side, pull enough for 10 Mains and 4 crosses. I would string 10 crosses on short side 11 crosses on long side, finishing my long side with the regular pattern, from main #9 to main #11 back to main #10 and clamp with a freefloating clamp, doing similar pattern on short side except there is no #10 main yet. Short side start crosses at 10H going up to the next hole, and then finishing my crosses upwards. On long side I would start my cross on 9T,I would count down from cross at 10H down to 9T that would be 18 an even number so I will have a soft weave, same. If I wanted to start my cross on 8T then when I count down it would be 19 to 8T so I would do a hard weave or oppisite of 10H cross. I would then finish my last main #10 and then start my crosses at 11H go downwards and since I have a cross at #9 already skip and finish a cross at 8 then tie. All your mains will have even tension and slight tension loss on your last crosses because of your knots. If I was board and had nothing to do I might try it, but that is how I would do the ATW on a badminton racket. My biggest skip would be at the throat doing cross #10 to #8
    It would probably work on a newer racket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentheart View Post
    Dear Members,

    Since there are so many post on this subject in the threads it does not belong. I decided to start 1 up so people have a place to post it. However, IMHO, this pattern do not and will not play as good as other practiced patterns.

    This is for regular racquets only. It will not work for newer Yonex racquet with B7 single pass grommet with out replacing the grommet or damage the grommet. Please refer to Yonex pattern for grommet positions. A is for top and B is for throat.

    For the mains:
    String up the mains like the regular pattern. Stop on A9 and tide off on A7 on both side.
    For the 2 side mains:
    Starting knot on B6 and start on B12 through A11. Then into A10 through B10 on the starting side. Go through B8 and cross to B8 on the other side. Go into B12 on the second side and through A11. Go into A10 and through B10.
    Crosses
    Start crosses on B9 and finish like a regular cross.

    Yes, it is not exactly around the world, it does a U.

    You can try it, I will tell you it loss main tension faster, plays so so. Been there, done that.
    How is this ATW? Is this 2pc string? ATW is 1pc string pattern meaning it goes all the way around the racket. I give you it is a MODIFIED U pattern but dont think it has anything to do with ATW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentheart View Post
    1) Why would you reuse gut?
    Guts are expensive. Often time tennis player use 1 piece method with gut. Depend on where the string break, the string might be long enough for 1/2 string job. So you keep the string in good condition for hybrid string job. Also, guts plays better pre-stretched. So if the guts comes from a crank machine job. It does the pre-stretch for me already. 2) How are you gonna tie knots on used string using ATW?
    For tennis, please refer to your USRSA seminar. Basically, you tie off the string with 1 main short on each side. Starting knot on the other end then work on your around the world.
    3) ATW is a 1 pc string pattern, whole purpose to use ATW is to tie your cross, so you have even tension loss kinda like that Haribito pattern, for people who like to string top to bottom, which really is not recommended.
    Not really, in tennis people use ATW for different reasons. IMHO, if a tennis player ask me to do 1 piece ATW that is not playing at Pro-Am level, I would ask why...
    I wasnt quite understanding how you would or why you would want to reuse gut. How was just answered using as a hybrid. I was confused because we were talking about ATW and you were sounding like you were reusing the whole gut for an ATW string job. I would just think used prestretched gut wouldnt play well.
    Out of curiosity why would you question any player/customer why ATW? If someone who was a 2.0 tennis player came in to my shop, I would give them the same respect as if Venus Williams was coming to our string team to string her rackets. Any D player on the street would get the same respect as if Taufik was coming to get our stringing services. If they paying you money, why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kakinami View Post
    How is this ATW? Is this 2pc string? ATW is 1pc string pattern meaning it goes all the way around the racket. I give you it is a MODIFIED U pattern but dont think it has anything to do with ATW.
    As you know for tennis, there several ATW. Different ATW pattern serv different purpose. Yes, this is a 2pc method in case you run out of string or accident happen for badminton. As I have posted in the beginning, I will not use ATW for badminton other than experimental situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kakinami View Post
    I wasnt quite understanding how you would or why you would want to reuse gut. How was just answered using as a hybrid. I was confused because we were talking about ATW and you were sounding like you were reusing the whole gut for an ATW string job. I would just think used prestretched gut wouldnt play well.
    Out of curiosity why would you question any player/customer why ATW? If someone who was a 2.0 tennis player came in to my shop, I would give them the same respect as if Venus Williams was coming to our string team to string her rackets. Any D player on the street would get the same respect as if Taufik was coming to get our stringing services. If they paying you money, why not?
    1) As I stated, a) gut string is expensive. b) plays better when it stretched already. c) why let a good thing goes to trash can.
    I agree when you are using electric machine, just use the pre-stretch function and it does the same thing. However, many tennis stringer are using crank machine. So the string was never pre-stretched.
    2) 1 of the main reason tennis player asking for ATW is to use 1 piece with top down. THAT is if they understand why. However, often time, the so call "4.0" or better(?) players (they have no slightest idea about stringing) just comes in with a racquet that can do 2 pc top down pattern ask for ATW. Why? Both you and I agree 2 pc method holds tension better and plays better (done by a good stringer). Why use ATW when you can just use 2 pc top down. As I said before, I use 2 pc ATW to save strings while keep the playability. Also, there are different ATW in tennis as people gets more creative to solve their stringing issue.

    Have a nice thanksgiving.

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