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11-21-2009, 11:17 PM #52
11-21-2009, 11:25 PM #53
ms still belongs to lindan
2nd is lcw
it is hard to beat both of them and win any titles from the tournament they both participated
u might found lcw is more easy to beat but not lindan
11-22-2009, 06:30 AM #54
11-22-2009, 07:36 AM #55
11-22-2009, 09:51 AM #56
its very good for him already consider his age is still young at the age of 21
got to a super series event final and manage to get runner up and for sure i think he will get a great experience playing with Lin dan
11-22-2009, 10:34 AM #57
do you know what CJ has achieve so far at the age of 23?? AE and some SS champions and numerous SS finals, semifinals, etc...
what JOJ has achieved so far??? a SS final...
just watched his game this afternoon, just so so... good spirit, but raw technic... and already 22 years old...
so I don't think JOJ is at the same levels as CJ...
a win over LCW?? do you remember who beat LD at 2004 OG? Susilo... how he's doing now???
good luck JOJ... don't be blinded by those over-joyed fans and those over-rating...
11-22-2009, 03:12 PM #58
It's fine for you to have a standard so high that a player needs to be an AE champion, World Champion and Olympic Champion by the age of 23 to be considered a good player. However, I will politely remind you to leave others to decide on what a good player should be.
I am not sure what made you so sore to the extent of judging JOJ as a mediocre player even though he made a long way to his first final in CO 2009. Anyway, just give this young lad a break and chill, alright?
11-22-2009, 04:05 PM #59
i look forward to seeing JOJ more in the future. however, from watching his match against CJ and LD, i am not convince that he will ever become the rank of Gade as a solid Danish challenger to the world badminton circuit. he might get to quarter and even semi-finals. but unlikely he will win any big ones when the top players are around.
11-22-2009, 04:48 PM #60
11-22-2009, 04:55 PM #61
All the European players start out late anyways so JOJ has more time than CJ if he could be the next PG. If JOJ could gain the amount of respect PG have during his professional career, I think that's a pretty good achievement. Doesn't have to be titles.
11-22-2009, 05:06 PM #62
..i'm waiting for our OTB to respond abt LinDan's case and chances for 2012 OG.[/quote]
Well, Chris...here it goes...
If I give LD AA rating, I give LCW and CJ A rating, TH, PG, pretty Bao get A- rating and the rest downwards...clearly LD is a notch above eveyone else. I give JOJ a B+ (this CO09 clearly shows LD is toying with JOJ, the score actually flattered JOJ, LD made him look amateurish, JOJ is reacting to LD moves while LD anticipate where the bird goes the moment JOJ flick his racket)....The biggest weapon LD has now that in 2004/05 he doesn't have and going into 2010 as well is the mental superiority that he is really unbeatable, and if you play baddy and feel you can squash everyone, then you would understand what this mental power mental thingie can do for you. LCW is a world class player, on paper is bankable to win, yet fans would bite their tongue hoping he would deliver the goods and not crash out.
Table tennis is dominated by CHN players, the real competition is between teammates...but in baddy, even CHN teammates cannot mount a challenge to LD, that spells domination. Barring injury, 2010 is all LD year with no rivals i.e. LD can pick/choose which SS he wants, I hope LD plays IO and MO which he hasn't won yet and that would collect all SS.
Beyond 2010, let's wait till 2010 ends then we can discuss, but looking at the current landscape with no strong challenge other than a Hope from great baddy nation INA, after LCW none from deep pocket MAS, zip from discipline and serious KOR and a weak hope from work-fulltime-play-parttime-you-are-on-your-own DEN, that is pretty much IT
LD is resting his legs and health for majors, winning majors enhance his endorsement potential (and that spells $$$, not some SS or whatsoever pays peanuts for all the hardwork put in). I strongly believe LD is targetting and planning for a second gold in OLY12. If I bet today, I park my dollar on LD to win OLY12 gold. As for WC and AE and AG next, start engraving his name on the trophy now
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11-22-2009, 06:59 PM #63
..the next time around, you should just save your post and highlight, copy and paste your writing so you'll save a bit of time and energy in typing all those..
I've yet to see JOJ's match vs. CJ and LD (in this yr's China Open), but i'll take the opinions from a few of the posters in this thread and the other CO threads on JOJ's future chances. I guess mother time will tell where he progresses next as time is on his side.
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11-22-2009, 08:09 PM #64
Like some, this was also my first close look at JOJ. I won't add anything to the observations of benjamin59 and kwun. He will certainly be able to put food on his table by accumulating chequues from R-16, QF and SF appearances. As far as champion material goes, he's not quite there (yet). Other than JOJ, the supply from Europe is mighty thin.
11-22-2009, 08:42 PM #65
Your observation of JOJ is very fair. JOJ may win some Grand Prix and SS titles but to win the biggies calls for all-round consistency and at the moment only LD has that quality.
11-22-2009, 08:53 PM #66
JOJ was indeed white-washed by LD!
LD has won five titles to date and LCW six.
If LD wins the SS finals in JB then he will equal LCW.
However, LD's wins include the All- England and the World Championship titles.
LCW has never won any biggie so far.
11-22-2009, 09:15 PM #67
Jorgensen needs to be more of a thinking player. That way, he can at least try to reduce exposure to his weaknesses or set up the rally to his advantage. At his age, his previous contemporaries Gade, Morten Frost and Flemming Delfs were all much better thinking players.
At times, when he plays the game, Jorgensen looked rushed and was not very calm despite not being under pressure.
Jorgensen might need more time to mature, so hopefully he will become like late bloomers Poul-Erik Hoyer Larsen and Svend Pri, the only man to have beaten Rudy Hartono at the Thomas Cup and All-England Finals at Rudy's peak.
11-22-2009, 09:16 PM #68
.. it's alrite to note and recognize some player's improvement, but don't make it too big out of overjoy, calm down and look at it objectively... and let the player mature naturally.. overating would ruin a growing player as it would mean over-pressure...
. what i like to point out in my post is that, a glorious moment does not mean anything big, just like the many more glorious past cases (even the Chinese CL doen't made any further good progress after beating LCW, TH and LD and being claimed the next LD earlier this year)..
If you really like the lab to grow healthily and have a sustainable success, give him a break, take back the "making big" comments and leave him alone... it's good enough to give him a big applause for what's done now and no need to make it so big to the next PG, the OG12 contender.. etc.
btw, have you heard what JOJ said in a recent interview?? I think the lab is more realistic (although not short of spirit) than any of these "make big" fans...