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    Default Being better than your partner.

    Uh, this is kind of hard to phrase without seeming arrogant. I've probably blown it already

    Anyway, I've had a bit of an issue in my last few MD matches. On the day of the trials for teams I didn't play very well, so I was put in the lowest (4th) team. I'm not saying I should be way above where I am now, but I feel that I'm better than a couple of the people in the 3rd team.

    So the guy that I'm partnered with for my Men's doubles is, uh, well I don't think he's played as much badminton as I have.

    The basic pattern of matches that I've noticed is for the first few rallies in a match, I will get to the shuttle well and get in a few - dare I say "impressive" - shots that win us points. The opponents then realize that my partner is not as strong as I am and target him for the rest of the match and we lose.

    This is quite frustrating as I hope you can imagine. So I'm asking for advice on how to deal with this targeting issue.

    Thanks.

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    this happened to me already, and we lost the tournament. You're probably a pretty good player, so i would recommend playing singles(as i did) because it feels a lot better.

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    I'm not a good player at all, I'm just a bit better than my partner ...

    I'd love to play singles, I much prefer it to doubles, but our team doesn't do singles and I actually suck at singles anyway.

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    Unfortunately, and I hate to sound mean or anything, but you should probably have played better in the trials. That's just the way things are when you play competitive. When I played mens open how well I did in each tournament had an impact on my seeding in the next tournament and that would determine how good the first guy I played was. If I really sucked in one tournament, chances were good I'd be playing one of the top seeded guys and would lose in the first round.

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    Yeah, I know what you mean. Last year I didn't get on the team because I hadn't played badminton for two or three years and I was really rusty for the trials (which are always the first week of the first term) but then by the end of the year I was definitely better than people that had gotten on the team. That was really frustrating so I was determined not to screw it up this year and so I got in as much practice as I could during the summer so I would be ready for the trials. Unfortunately I ended up being so freaked out about not screwing up the trials again that I psyched myself out completely and played absolutely dire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destricto_Ense View Post
    Yeah, I know what you mean. Last year I didn't get on the team because I hadn't played badminton for two or three years and I was really rusty for the trials (which are always the first week of the first term) but then by the end of the year I was definitely better than people that had gotten on the team. That was really frustrating so I was determined not to screw it up this year and so I got in as much practice as I could during the summer so I would be ready for the trials. Unfortunately I ended up being so freaked out about not screwing up the trials again that I psyched myself out completely and played absolutely dire.
    If you're going to play with this partner again in the future, maybe you and him should talk about strategy and how you guys can win. Even if he's not as good as you, perhaps he has a strength that you can make use of. Or, you can train him to help him improve faster.

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    The first time I got paired with someone way weaker, I told her to stand in the corner with her racket up and I'd do everything

    On a more serious note - depending on certain factors (how weak your partner is relative to yourself, how good your opponents are, etc), you should be able to work out a rotation and shot selection so that it's much more risky and difficult for them to hit to your partner. You can also determine what his strengths are (ie. clearing or net play), and play to those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thejym View Post
    If you're going to play with this partner again in the future, maybe you and him should talk about strategy and how you guys can win. Even if he's not as good as you, perhaps he has a strength that you can make use of. Or, you can train him to help him improve faster.
    He's the captain of the team, I'd feel kind of out of position doing that -_-'

    Quote Originally Posted by supralover23 View Post
    On a more serious note - depending on certain factors (how weak your partner is relative to yourself, how good your opponents are, etc), you should be able to work out a rotation and shot selection so that it's much more risky and difficult for them to hit to your partner.
    Ah yes, that's a good idea. I often find myself stuck at the front because my partner doesn't know when to go forward and backwards ... I have an XD partner who serves and then automatically steps straight backwards ...
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    I would help train with my partner's defense and can help with your attacking play as well.

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    you lose as a team, how would you feel if your partner **** on you after a loss? this is so childish, so you're better than your partner... ok, now what? do you want a partner that's better than you? by your theory you would never get one because the one that's better than you wouldn't play with you.... it's a team game man, suck it up and practice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlock110 View Post
    you lose as a team, how would you feel if your partner **** on you after a loss? this is so childish, so you're better than your partner... ok, now what? do you want a partner that's better than you? by your theory you would never get one because the one that's better than you wouldn't play with you.... it's a team game man, suck it up and practice...
    I'm not sure what the expletive that has been censored there is so I don't fully understand what you're saying, but I haven't said anything to my partner if that's what you're implying, nor did I refuse to play with him.

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    Surely there is nothing wrong in complaining because our partners can't keep up with us. In my high school year I had to ask the coach to team me up with different partners because my MD team never worked out for so long (I practiced and got better while the others didn't try as much). Then I ended up playing singles, which I enjoy a lot more. In the beginning I enjoyed playing with a teammate, too, but once you get better you'll understand and perhaps also will switch to singles. As for the targeting the weaker teammate, you may want to be dirty and switch it to Mixed style. Other than that it would be up to your partner to get better. Best way is to ask him to practice with you if you, like me, don't have the guts to tell your partner he sucks.

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    as we can see destrito did not really complain, to be fair. But being putting words out like that does make people feel like destrito is complaining.
    Anyway, we should not hate or dislike or watever with our partners UNLESS, he or she, if any of us play mix. If our partner is not willing to change or improve.
    Obviously in a team there is no such thing as same level, it's gonna be off set a little or a lot doesn't matter, the point is going to be off set.
    And at that point, if you're the stronger one can always try to help out the partner to improve.
    And here is the point you are allowed to hate your partner. he or she turn down the help or give excuses to this and that.

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    anyway, for answering destrito questions. You can always help your partner on his or her defence skill. Like keep smashing in practice make him return it in everyway, lift, drive back, or drop. And pretty much just help him improves on what you think it is necessary for the game.

    However, this is one little problem, is HOW you going to offer him the help. It is hard to start the training. Especially something they're not good at, it is just out of their habit things to do. Example: backhand, smash, drop...
    personally I'm not good with smashing. I don't like to smash, my normal games will only have probably about 3 smashes for one set. i tend to clear a lot. I guess I don't really like offensive that much. So that's why I can see why I'm also a player who being targeted in a game, they always clear it to me.
    And worse, it's either my reaction is slow or my eyes getting worse. my return smash is really bad. I can't really see the bird that well especially with the bad lighting setting. But yea I do believe I have a slow reaction too. I've been trying to increase my reaction, but don't really know how.

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    He is playing MD (men's doubles) and his partner is self-evident to be weak and is being targeted. He is frustrated and he wants help from us, therefore he complains about this uneasiness. No need to be modest and avoid such irrelevant fact.

    Another tip is to play offensive most of the times. So your team will try not to clear so much but rather do a lot of smashes and drops. This is somewhat like Mixed if he stays in the front to cover the net with net shots while you are in the back smashing down the other supposedly low-level opponents. Hopefully your partner can at least cover the net. He needs to have decent reflexes for that, and a bit of techniques.

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    The fact that he is captain of the team may change things a little.
    Maybe he chose you because you are good enough prop him up. From what you say it seems that he is the captain and the weakest player on the squad.


    Dictating tactics is obviously going to be difficult, if you can stomach it how about playing a load of dire net shots in practice, complement his great net play and plead with him to take the front as you just can't compare to his mastery of the net.
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    Thanks for the suggestions everyone, I will see if I can muster up the courage to give him some basic tips like "hit it up, go sides, hit it down, go front/back" ... (is that even right? )

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