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    Quote Originally Posted by abedeng View Post
    With all those health problems, this pair still won the SEA Games, French Open and Asian Championships. Something to be proud about.

    But surely PBSI should take up the responsibility of ensuring their athletes are properly treated for any medical condition.
    Hahaha........yes with all these problems they facing,...still can beat KKK/TBH badly in Fresch Open, SEA Games MD final.........really something to pround of...well done MK/HS

    AS for KKK/TBH.........they shd be very shameful .........somethings is very wrong with this pair...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonmarc View Post
    Hahaha........yes with all these problems they facing,...still can beat KKK/TBH badly in Fresch Open, SEA Games MD final.........really something to pround of...well done MK/HS

    AS for KKK/TBH.........they shd be very shameful .........somethings is very wrong with this pair...
    Our Boleh shuttlers ... you know la ... cannot pressure them. Cannot set high expectations. Cannot comment about their performance. And coupled with excuses like taking part in too many tourneys, too much travelling, injured (but can go to Singapore for shopping) etc etc ... at the end of the day what we have is a bunch of mentally weak and pampered Boleh shuttlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonmarc View Post
    Hahaha........yes with all these problems they facing,...still can beat KKK/TBH badly in Fresch Open, SEA Games MD final.........really something to pround of...well done MK/HS

    AS for KKK/TBH.........they shd be very shameful .........somethings is very wrong with this pair...
    While going a little bit OT here:
    I am pretty sure fans from other countries will like to welcome Koo/Tan since they are not accepted by MAS fans themselves. You should be thankful that you have a World Class pair that can still win titles

    Despite their shortcomings, even I can say that Koo/Tan have done well this year, winning 2 SS and 2 GP Gold titles, finishing runner-ups in 2 other events, and a bronze medal in the World Championships.

    Please keep the discussion to the topic of the thread. Discussion about MAS shuttlers can be directed to the respective threads. Thanks.
    Last edited by badMania; 12-24-2009 at 09:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    While going a little bit OT here:
    I am pretty sure fans from other countries will like to welcome Koo/Tan since they are not accepted by MAS fans themselves. You should be thankful that you have a World Class pair that can still win titles

    Despite their shortcomings, even I can say that Koo/Tan have done well this year, winning 2 SS and 2 GP Gold titles, finishing runner-ups in 2 other events, and a bronze medal in the World Championships.

    Please keep the discussion to the topic of the thread. Discussion about MAS shuttlers can be directed to the respective threads. Thanks.
    Thanks, badMania.

    As for MK/HS....I think they will still playing as a pair as club player or independent players ....right...?

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    http://www.jawapos.co.id/sportivo/in...ail&nid=107222

    Hendra Setiawan, "Kesetiaan" kepada Markis Kido Membuatnya Meninggalkan Cipayung

    Demi Ambisi Mengantarkan Indonesia Juara Piala Thomas

    Keluar dari Cipayung, markas pelatnas PB PBSI, dianggap banyak orang sebagai tindakan tidak nasionalis. Tapi, Hendra Setiawan melakukannya demi Indonesia agar bisa segera kembali merebut Piala Thomas.

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    Pembawaannya tidak berubah. Gaya bicara Hendra Setiawan tetap kalem dan tenang seperti biasa. Begitu pula ketika dia mengabarkan akan mundur dari Cipayung di pengujung tahun ini.

    "Keputusan mundur itu saya pikir sudah menjadi keputusan terbaik bagi saya, juga Kido," tutur Hendra dengan nada datar.

    Sejak Agustus lalu, Hendra mempertimbangkan untuk meninggalkan pelatnas. Tepatnya, ketika Kido divonis mengidap hipertensi. Akibat penyakit itu, Kido/Hendra tidak dikirimkan ke kejuaraan dunia di India.

    Kido paling sakit hati dengan keputusan tersebut. Sebab, berikutnya juga ada aturan tegas bahwa Kido harus bertanggung jawab atas keselamatannya di lapangan. Artinya, jika dalam satu pertandingan membela nama Indonesia Kido kolaps di tengah lapangan karena penyakit tersebut, itu akan menjadi tanggung jawab pribadi, bukan PB PBSI.

    Hal tersebut membuat Kido kecewa dan mulai memikirkan untuk meninggalkan pelatnas. Hendra tidak mau ketinggalan. Setelah mempertimbangkan banyak hal selama empat bulan, mereka memutuskan meninggalkan Cipayung.

    Bagi Kido sebagai pihak yang sakit hati, meninggalkan pelatnas mungkin tidak begitu merugikan. Tapi, Hendra yang sebenarnya tidak punya masalah untuk tetap di pelatnas harus meninggalkan banyak fasilitas dengan keputusan itu. Sebagai pemain pelatnas, dia tinggal berlatih dan bermain. Jadi pemain mandiri, ke depan dia harus mengurusi semua sendiri. Mulai membeli tiket untuk perjalanan mengikuti kejuaraan sampai menentukan jadwal latihan.

    "Memang benar, Kido yang sebenarnya bermasalah dengan kondisinya. Tapi, saya sudah memikirkan dan memperhitungkan secara matang untuk mengikutinya. Keputusan tersebut memang sulit dan berat. Tapi, saya harus memilihnya," ujar Hendra.

    Mencari pasangan baru bagi Hendra ibarat memulai semuanya dari nol. Dia harus belajar memahami permainan, karakter, persepsi, dan banyak hal lagi tentang pasangan barunya. Jika apes, bisa-bisa prestasinya makin tenggelam meski tetap berada di pelatnas.

    Kondisi tersebut membuat Hendra yang berpasangan dengan Kido sejak masih junior di Jaya Raya itu seolah menjadi pasangan sehidup semati. Mereka bercita-cita tetap berpasangan sampai pensiun. Sikap keras Kido dan kalem Hendra tidak membuat hubungan mereka renggang. Malah, itu saling melengkapi dan membuat mereka semakin kompak.

    Kecocokan itulah yang membuat Hendra mantap meninggalkan Cipayung bersama Kido. Bukan untuk diri sendiri, melainkan Indonesia. Alasannya, dia belum sukses bersama pasangan baru di Cipayung. Performanya akan lebih terjaga bersam Kido. Dengan begitu, mereka tetap bisa diandalkan di Piala Thomas 2010 yang diselenggarakan Mei.

    "Mas Sigit (Pamungkas, pelatih ganda pria, Red) menggaransi kami masuk timnas jika bisa menjaga performa. Pergi dari pelatnas, salah satunya, saya putuskan demi terus memberikan sumbangsih untuk Indonesia," papar Hendra.

    Lalu, ke mana mereka berlatih setelah berada di luar Cipayung? "Untuk sementara, kami akan berlatih di Jaya Raya, klub yang membesarkan kami. Tapi, ke depan, kami memilih jalan seperti yang lain, yang berada di luar pelatnas," tegas Hendra. (fim/ang)

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    Who can help to translate into English?thanks s lot of.

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    hope their decision to quit National team will give a good effect in Badminton professionalism

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    Default Sorry for being off-topic, badMania...

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonmarc View Post
    Hahaha........yes with all these problems they facing,...still can beat KKK/TBH badly in Fresch Open, SEA Games MD final.........really something to pround of...well done MK/HS

    AS for KKK/TBH.........they shd be very shameful .........somethings is very wrong with this pair...
    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    While going a little bit OT here:
    I am pretty sure fans from other countries will like to welcome Koo/Tan since they are not accepted by MAS fans themselves. You should be thankful that you have a World Class pair that can still win titles

    Despite their shortcomings, even I can say that Koo/Tan have done well this year, winning 2 SS and 2 GP Gold titles, finishing runner-ups in 2 other events, and a bronze medal in the World Championships.

    Please keep the discussion to the topic of the thread. Discussion about MAS shuttlers can be directed to the respective threads. Thanks.
    I agree with badMania... yes KKK-TBH did not win all the time, but they are still one of the strongest MD pair alive today. [The last time I checked a few weeks ago, KKK-TBH were the #1 ranked pair on Earth] If MAS don't want them, INA will gladly take 'em... Go depend on the Zakry brothers and CTF-LWW in Thomas Cup 2010, if that's what MAS prefers... INA can live very well with Kido-Hendra plus KKK-TBH as INA's two MD...


    If MAS is in the mood of throwing out more loosers, throw out LCW as well! He'll fit very well with Sony and Simon in INA's Thomas Cup 2010... China-Korea-Denmark will have big problems with this kind of pan-ASEAN lineup...
    Last edited by Krisna; 12-25-2009 at 12:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    I agree with badMania... yes KKK-TBH did not win all the time, but they are still one of the strongest MD pair alive today. [The last time I checked a few weeks ago, KKK-TBH were the #1 ranked pair on Earth] If MAS don't want them, INA will gladly take 'em... Go depend on the Zakry brothers and CTF-LWW in the Thomas Cup 2010, if that's what MAS prefers... INA can live very well with Kido-Hendra plus KKK-TBH as INA's two MD...


    If MAS is in the mood of throwing out more loosers, throw out LCW as well! He'll fit very well with Sony and Simon in INA's Thomas Cup 2010... China-Korea-Denmark will have big problems with this kind of pan-ASEAN lineup...
    i 2nd this suggestion since there are so many complain

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    WOW.... I am totally agree with Krisna here..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonmarc View Post
    Hahaha........yes with all these problems they facing,...still can beat KKK/TBH badly in Fresch Open, SEA Games MD final.........really something to pround of...well done MK/HS

    AS for KKK/TBH.........they shd be very shameful .........somethings is very wrong with this pair...
    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    While going a little bit OT here:
    I am pretty sure fans from other countries will like to welcome Koo/Tan since they are not accepted by MAS fans themselves. You should be thankful that you have a World Class pair that can still win titles

    Despite their shortcomings, even I can say that Koo/Tan have done well this year, winning 2 SS and 2 GP Gold titles, finishing runner-ups in 2 other events, and a bronze medal in the World Championships.

    Please keep the discussion to the topic of the thread. Discussion about MAS shuttlers can be directed to the respective threads. Thanks.
    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    I agree with badMania... yes KKK-TBH did not win all the time, but they are still one of the strongest MD pair alive today. [The last time I checked a few weeks ago, KKK-TBH were the #1 ranked pair on Earth] If MAS don't want them, INA will gladly take 'em... Go depend on the Zakry brothers and CTF-LWW in Thomas Cup 2010, if that's what MAS prefers... INA can live very well with Kido-Hendra plus KKK-TBH as INA's two MD...


    If MAS is in the mood of throwing out more loosers, throw out LCW as well! He'll fit very well with Sony and Simon in INA's Thomas Cup 2010... China-Korea-Denmark will have big problems with this kind of pan-ASEAN lineup...
    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    i 2nd this suggestion since there are so many complain
    OT:

    To be honest, unreasonable demands and criticisms like calling LCW and KKK/TBH shameful or low achievers are really getting sickening(what makes things worse is, those arm chair critics are having fun in belittling their world class top MS and MD players the whole year long again and again...again and again...Gosh). Perhaps someone can knock some sense into these critics and ask them to be a little more realistic when they come to demanding results from their national shuttlers.

    Totally agree with badMania, limsy and Krisna. If those arm-chair critics think so lowly about kkk/tbh and lcw, they can kindly suggest BAM to release them from the country duty. Besides Indonesia, I think UK will be more than willing to take these so-called "losers" in(Pretty sure Denmark will take them in as well). It will be interesting to see if these arm-chair critics(represent the county to play) can defend the honour of the country in the absence of those "losers" like kkk/tbh and lcw.


    On Topic:

    I certainly hope I can see more of MK/HS in the future. I think Thomas cup will be much more exciting if they represents Indonesia in that events. However, I will respect whatever HS/MK decided since they have done enough for their country IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    1 ranked pair on Earth] If MAS don't want them, INA will gladly take 'em...


    If MAS is in the mood of throwing out more loosers, throw out LCW as well! He'll fit very well with Sony and Simon in INA's Thomas Cup 2010... China-Korea-Denmark will have big problems with this kind of pan-ASEAN lineup...
    You sure or not PBSI will agree with that? Maybe Djarum can take them in . Or go to Kido/Hendra's club, they will be happy to have high quality sparring & tournament partners .
    Ehem, LCW is harder, you know lah, his ex-sifu is in Korea.

    So, for normal SS Tourneys, Kido/Hendra is sponsored by Yonex & their club?

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    Default Lets not get emotional ...

    Ladies,

    Please calm down and hold em' tissues ... please.

    What Jason said was despite all the challenges faced by MK/HS, they are still able to to beat KKK/TBH, the MD WR#1 in Laos for the gold and the FO.

    Now, now isnt it not a fact that KKK/TBH, the MD WR1 were beaten by MK/HS in Laos and at the FO? Lets look at facts and leave out the emotions and mindless rants.

    Jason certainly committed no crime by highlighting em' facts.

    Now .... as for this other countries ever willing to adopt/take/keep/accept KKK/TBH or LCW or his pet mice ... ok let me just say this, Malaysian badminton will not be held ransom by any shuttlers. No one is bigger than the sport. If our shuttlers want to leave, go by all means. Just fill up em' emigration forms on their way out. If countries like Ethopia, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Yemen or even Indonesia want to take them and they want to go ... please go.

    Lets not be deluded that Malaysia should be thankful for shuttlers like KKK/TBH. It should be the other way round instead. KKK/TBH should be thankful that they are Malaysians because as Malaysians, their livelihood and development as badminton players are taken care of by the taxpayers.

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    Arrow Indonesian top shuttlers quit national team

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    Indonesian top shuttlers quit national team

    World No. 3 doubles players MarkisKido and Hendra Setiawan have decided to quit the national badminton team, a local media reported here on Wednesday.

    Markis's health problems -- he's been suffering from high blood pressure since August -- were the main reason behind their decision after their victory at the recently-held Southeast Asian Games in Laos.

    "The (national team's) physical training program is getting harder. My blood pressure problem deters me from practicing with as high an intensity as the others and it makes me feel bad. I can't stand to watch others train hard while I only sit. So I think it would be better if I pull out from the national team." Markis, 25, was quoted by the Jakarta Globe on Tuesday.

    Meanwhile, Markis' faithful partner in men's doubles, Hendra Setiawan, would not play with other shuttler. He only wants to keep playing alongside Markis.

    "We've been partners since we were kids. I don't think either of us could perform as well as we do now if we were no longer partners," Hendra said. "I can't think of playing with someone else."

    Markis revealed that they had sent a resignation letter to the Indonesia Badminton Association (PBSI) before they went to Laos.

    He said that he and Hendra had discussed his decision to leave national team with his coach, Sigit Pamungkas, and their families." They all supported us," Markis said.

    After their resignation from the national team, Markis and Hendra will return to their club, Jaya Raya, and pursue careers as professional shuttlers.

    Because of Markis's blood pressure problems, as well as a nagging knee injury, the pair was out of action for most of the season.

    They withdrew from the World Championships in India in August, losing the opportunity to defend their title.

    Their decision to leave the national team still come as a shock because Markis and Hendra were a bright spot in an otherwise not-so-good year for Indonesian shuttlers, when compared to the national team's usual high standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    Lets not be deluded that Malaysia should be thankful for shuttlers like KKK/TBH. It should be the other way round instead. KKK/TBH should be thankful that they are Malaysians because as Malaysians, their livelihood and development as badminton players are taken care of by the taxpayers.
    It's a two way street. Without KKK/TBH and LCW what does Malaysia/Malaysian taxpayers have to show for all those $$$$$$$ spent in badminton? Some people will always find fault, regardless what the outcome is.

    Best of luck to Markis & Hendra. Hopefully the junior MD is ready to fill in their shoes.

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    heard from bulutangkis.com that PBSI reject Kido/Hendra resignation. Any insight news about this ? Are they still training in pelatnas or still disputing about their status in pelatnas with the official ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gary_seeker View Post
    heard from bulutangkis.com that PBSI reject Kido/Hendra resignation. Any insight news about this ? Are they still training in pelatnas or still disputing about their status in pelatnas with the official ?
    They are official now as Independent...They just signed with Flypower...
    higher than Yonex..PBSI did give MK/HS with conditions..they can quit and the sponsors should be Yonex or any products made by Indonesia..
    I did reported that Li Ning offered to MK/HS..it should be 361 ( also from china)

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    They are official now as Independent...They just signed with Flypower...
    higher than Yonex..PBSI did give MK/HS with conditions..they can quit and the sponsors should be Yonex or any products made by Indonesia..
    I did reported that Li Ning offered to MK/HS..it should be 361 ( also from china)
    wow.. any product from INA... not a bad idea.. try to boast local industry...

    maybe MAS independent to should look into that as well...

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