Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong going for quality instead of quantity in 2010

**chris-ccc** · 01-07-2010, 05:08 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

See, they actually just wanted to lessen their pressure in Mas Open............so they could perform better........

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We will need to see what will happen at the 2010 Malaysian Open SS.
What we BCers, BAM and/or KKK/TBH have wished for may not come true.

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**eaglehelang** · 01-07-2010, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

But the 'fact' was the other way round ! they won the first tournament, Denmark Open and lost out the second in their europe 'back to back' tourneys...........how come they said they usually play well in the 2nd of the back to back tourney.....

See, they actually just wanted to lessen their pressure in Mas Open............so they could perform better........

http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ra...&player=107928

1) Pls study the whole year's schedule. 2009 AE & Swiss, China & HK, Spore & INA, then Msia GP Gold, WC & MAcau.
Denmark is unique, since 2007, for some reason Msia doubles win in Denmark but not France
2) You should know by now KKK/TBH do better in Europe tourneys than Asia ones, Msia is not home ground advantage for them.
3) This yr, another factor different is WPT is KKK's XD partner. It's different than when KKK partner NHL, like what happen at SEA Games

Studying trend need to look at 4 to 5 factors

**limsy** · 01-07-2010, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by eaglehelang

http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ra...&player=107928

1) Pls study the whole year's schedule. 2009 AE & Swiss, China & HK, Spore & INA, then Msia GP Gold, WC & MAcau.
Denmark is unique, since 2007, for some reason Msia doubles win in Denmark but not France
2) You should know by now KKK/TBH do better in Europe tourneys than Asia ones, Msia is not home ground advantage for them.
3) This yr, another factor different is WPT is KKK's XD partner. It's different than when KKK partner NHL, like what happen at SEA Games

Studying trend need to look at 4 to 5 factors

yes
i agree with the statement above
not everyone can remember all the things which had happen

**chris-ccc** · 01-07-2010, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by eaglehelang

http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ra...&player=107928

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It's a surprise that MAS still holds 2 of the No.1 World Ranking Positions at the start of 2010:
* No.1 Mens Singles - Lee Chong Wei
* No.1 Mens Doubles - Koo Kien Keat / Tan Boon Heong

Somehow MAS fans are still not satisfied.

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**limsy** · 01-07-2010, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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It's a surprise that MAS still holds 2 of the No.1 World Ranking Positions at the start of 2010:
* No.1 Mens Singles - Lee Chong Wei
* No.1 Mens Doubles - Koo Kien Keat / Tan Boon Heong

Somehow MAS fans are still not satisfied.

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lol
i said before
when didnt win title
say didnt win title
when win title
say not good enough
when already wr 1
say no major
when have major
say didnt win all the major+not consistence+didnt win here and there

u should know the pattern

**limsy** · 01-07-2010, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

Its really funny, why someone care so much, if he is not a fan of some body or cant accept the fact that winning is more important than just performed OK as top 4 pair in the world.........

And some one here.........who always talk about facts still thinking that some player training so hard and come in a tournament is just to perform OK or try their best, but not about to be the best and win the tournament..........funny enough ! and its really just a general statement for all players in the world, deep inside their heart...they all wanted to be the best lah, if not why train so hard ?.......this is the fact. LOL

I still remember lots of Bcer members here asked 'Why participate if not to win..or not well prepared.?' These are facts and facts are cruel...

The true fact is general public has the right to critic..........and sadly those critics have proven to be always right......lol...really funny, right ?

oh,winning is important

so?

**jasonmarc** · 01-07-2010, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by limsy

oh,winning is important

so?

Yes, KKK also admited........its a fact.....lol

Badzine's online chat with KKK recently.....

[Comment From Kelly , USA]
Hi Kien Keat ! Congrats on your career. How important is it for you to be world's number one ? More important than winning Super Series titles ?
[Comment From KOO KIEN KEAT]
Hie Kelly... Thank You for your wish..No... Winning is more important than getting world no. 1..

**jasonmarc** · 01-07-2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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It's a surprise that MAS still holds 2 of the No.1 World Ranking Positions at the start of 2010:
* No.1 Mens Singles - Lee Chong Wei
* No.1 Mens Doubles - Koo Kien Keat / Tan Boon Heong

Somehow MAS fans are still not satisfied.

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Chris-ccc, they have achieved as WR 1, yes.......so they have to try to attained new hight now.........

**chris-ccc** · 01-07-2010, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

Chris-ccc, they have achieved as WR 1, yes.......so they have to try to attained new hight now.........

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Yes, that comment was to say that KKK/TBH got the World No.1 position when 2009 ended, and MAS fans should be satisfied.

They achieved it (in 2009) because they participated in more tournaments than the other Top 4;
Rank ... Country ... Players .......... Points ...... Tournaments
1 .......... MAS ....... KKK/TBH ...... 74779.26 .........14
2 .......... KOR ....... JJS/LYD ....... 69077.47 ......... 9
3 .......... INA ......... MK/HS ......... 68888.79 ......... 11
4 .......... DEN ....... MB/CM ......... 65393.42 ......... 11

This year, 2010, is going to be different for KKK/TBH. They will participate in fewer tournaments.

Let's look at this first tournament of 2010, the Korean Open. If JJS/LYD win it, therefore winning 9,200 points, they would be No.1, overtaking KKK/TBH immediately.

Hence, we are saying BAM is willing to have KKK/TBH not desperately wanting to be No.1.

Please refer again to the title of this thread:
Let's talk about Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong going for quality instead of quantity in 2010
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**jasonmarc** · 01-07-2010, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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Yes, that comment was to say that KKK/TBH got the World No.1 position when 2009 ended, and MAS fans should be satisfied.

They achieved it (in 2009) because they participated in more tournaments than the other Top 4;
Rank ... Country ... Players .......... Points ...... Tournaments
1 .......... MAS ....... KKK/TBH ...... 74779.26 .........14
2 .......... KOR ....... JJS/LYD ....... 69077.47 ......... 9
3 .......... INA ......... MK/HS ......... 68888.79 ......... 11
4 .......... DEN ....... MB/CM ......... 65393.42 ......... 11

This year, 2010, is going to be different for KKK/TBH. They will participate in fewer tournaments.

Let's look at this first tournament of 2010, the Korean Open. If JJS/LYD win it, therefore winning 9,200 points, they would be No.1, overtaking KKK/TBH immediately.

Hence, we are saying BAM is willing to have KKK/TBH not desperately wanting to be No.1.

Please refer again to the title of this thread:
Let's talk about Koo Kien Keat-Tan Boon Heong going for quality instead of quantity in 2010
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When they go for quality, maybe thats mean they wont win as much or unable to maintain their WR 1 in 2010 but will try to make a break thru for at least a major......a major title for kkk/tbh indeed is a quality break thru.....for MAS.

**chris-ccc** · 01-07-2010, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

When they go for quality, maybe thats mean they wont win as much or unable to maintain their WR 1 in 2010 but will try to make a break thru for at least a major......a major title for kkk/tbh indeed is a quality break thru.....for MAS.

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That's exactly what BAM has now wished for KKK/TBH to do.

It's no longer important for KKK/TBH to be ranked as World No.1. It is now the quality (major tournaments) that matters.
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**quik_silver** · 01-07-2010, 08:16 PM

quality is always important, players dont have to play a lot to prove a point, maybe ranking #1 in the world is good but it's just a title. it's the way how every player perform on the court that actually matters the most. winning is always a bonus, playing on the court is what really matter the most.

**Dato A** · 01-07-2010, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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It's a surprise that MAS still holds 2 of the No.1 World Ranking Positions at the start of 2010:
* No.1 Mens Singles - Lee Chong Wei
* No.1 Mens Doubles - Koo Kien Keat / Tan Boon Heong

Somehow MAS fans are still not satisfied.

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And they should be conferred with -

- Tan Sri title for Datuk Lee Chong Wei, therefore 'Tan Sri Datuk Lee Chong Wei

- Datuk title for Koo Kien Keat & Tan Boon Heong, plus PJK & AMN

for their great achievement being World's No. 1.

chris-ccc,

It is not a surprise MAS holding WR No.1 positions. We are badminton powerhouse. Our gov had invested lots of money in this sports.

I would said It Is A SURPRISE if Austalian player hold the No.1 position.

**chris-ccc** · 01-07-2010, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by quik_silver

quality is always important, players dont have to play a lot to prove a point, maybe ranking #1 in the world is good but it's just a title. it's the way how every player perform on the court that actually matters the most. winning is always a bonus, playing on the court is what really matter the most.

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This is correct. A player or pair can be ranked No.1 because of their ranking points gained.

Therefore, a player or pair can be ranked No.1 even though they have not won any title, big or small. Looking for such an example, but still haven't found one yet.

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**jasonmarc** · 01-08-2010, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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This is correct. A player or pair can be ranked No.1 because of their ranking points gained.

Therefore, a player or pair can be ranked No.1 even though they have not won any title, big or small. Looking for such an example, but still haven't found one yet.

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No, chris.......they cant be WR 1 without even 1 title in hand......just cant accumulate enough points to be WR 1........

But, they can be WR 1 with some titles in hand, and still lost too many times to lower rank pairs.........

....This is a WR 1 without quality....sadly

**chris-ccc** · 01-08-2010, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

No, chris.......they cant be WR 1 without even 1 title in hand......just cant accumulate enough points to be WR 1........

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Theoretically, without winning even a single title, KKK/TBH can be World No.1,

if;

1. KKK/TBH plays in all tournaments that gives ranking points; including SS, GP Gold, GP, etc,...... and finished up as runners-up.

and,

2. No one pair dominates in winning many titles. That is to say tournaments titles are won equally by many different pairs.

Join us at our BadmintonCentral PAW Games, and you will see how the No.1 ranked position can be achieved.

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**Pemuda** · 01-10-2010, 09:06 AM

Some are saying that Malaysian fans are still not satisfied despite having 2 WR1s in LCW and KKK/TBH.

Ok, lets put aside all emotions and sentiments, and examine the above statement.

What is it that define greatness when it comes to badminton? Being WR1 or having a collection of major titles? Please ... dont answer straight away ... take some time and think a little. Being WR1 (with no majors) or having a host of big trophies?

Take a look at this bunch ... Yang Yang, The Thing, Liem Swie King, Rudy Hartono, Morten Frost, Park Joo Bong ... they are all legends in the game, right? Do they have major trophies?

Maybe when it comes to Malaysian shuttlers ... we should have a different set of expectations? Ok fair deal then ... lets look at Malaysia specifically.

Lets start with the coaches ... we hired the best out there both past and present. Yes?

Our facilities are 2nd to none. Yes?

When it comes to rewards, we are pretty much up there.

As such, despite all these investments all we have to show is 2 WR1s and a Sea Games Women gold, no Olympic gold, zero WCs, very very few AEs and it has been ages since we won the TC.

Personally, I dont know .... I guess it comes down to personal standards.