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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Theoretically, without winning even a single title, KKK/TBH can be World No.1,

    if;

    1. KKK/TBH plays in all tournaments that gives ranking points; including SS, GP Gold, GP, etc,...... and finished up as runners-up.

    and,

    2. No one pair dominates in winning many titles. That is to say tournaments titles are won equally by many different pairs.


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    You are correct, but technically, they don't need to play in ALL tournaments. Just 10 SS tournaments (or 9 SS and 1 major) will do. Finish runners-up in all these tournaments and hope all their closest rivals are inconsistent.

    However, in reality, this is unlikely because if you can manage to enter the finals for so many tournaments, you are bound to get lucky in a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    Some are saying that Malaysian fans are still not satisfied despite having 2 WR1s in LCW and KKK/TBH.

    Ok, lets put aside all emotions and sentiments, and examine the above statement.

    What is it that define greatness when it comes to badminton? Being WR1 or having a collection of major titles? Please ... dont answer straight away ... take some time and think a little. Being WR1 (with no majors) or having a host of big trophies?

    Take a look at this bunch ... Yang Yang, The Thing, Liem Swie King, Rudy Hartono, Morten Frost, Park Joo Bong ... they are all legends in the game, right? Do they have major trophies?

    Maybe when it comes to Malaysian shuttlers ... we should have a different set of expectations? Ok fair deal then ... lets look at Malaysia specifically.

    Lets start with the coaches ... we hired the best out there both past and present. Yes?

    Our facilities are 2nd to none. Yes?

    When it comes to rewards, we are pretty much up there.

    As such, despite all these investments all we have to show is 2 WR1s and a Sea Games Women gold, no Olympic gold, zero WCs, very very few AEs and it has been ages since we won the TC.

    Personally, I dont know .... I guess it comes down to personal standards.
    No brainer. Titles are much more important. (I'm serious.)

    Malaysian badminton sucks. (Not so serious.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Yes, that comment was to say that KKK/TBH got the World No.1 position when 2009 ended, and MAS fans should be satisfied.

    They achieved it (in 2009) because they participated in more tournaments than the other Top 4;
    Rank ... Country ... Players .......... Points ...... Tournaments
    1 .......... MAS ....... KKK/TBH ...... 74779.26 .........14
    2 .......... KOR ....... JJS/LYD ....... 69077.47 ......... 9
    3 .......... INA ......... MK/HS ......... 68888.79 ......... 11
    4 .......... DEN ....... MB/CM ......... 65393.42 ......... 11

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    Only the best 10 of their 14 tournaments count towards their points total.
    But you can see that if the Koreans just take part in one more tournament (reasonably big, like SS) and have a consistent performance, then they should be No 1. So, to correct you, it is not because the MAS pair played in more tournaments than the rest, it is because the KOR pair played less than 10 tournaments. (Even if INA and DEN pair played 14 tournaments last year, it is no guarantee that they can overhaul KKK/TBH.)

    MAS average per tournament - 7478 points
    KOR average per tournament - 7675 points

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong View Post
    No brainer. Titles are much more important. (I'm serious.)

    Malaysian badminton sucks. (Not so serious.)
    .hcyong, you mean Championship titles or Datoship titles..........

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    Arrow For 14 tournaments, they can drop off their worst 4 performances

    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong View Post

    You are correct, but technically, they don't need to play in ALL tournaments. Just 10 SS tournaments (or 9 SS and 1 major) will do. Finish runners-up in all these tournaments and hope all their closest rivals are inconsistent.

    However, in reality, this is unlikely because if you can manage to enter the finals for so many tournaments, you are bound to get lucky in a few.

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    That's correct too.

    Was thinking that playing at 14 tournaments, they can drop off their worst 4 performances. But playing in 10 or less, they can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    That's correct too.

    Was thinking that playing at 14 tournaments, they can drop off their worst 4 performances. But playing in 10 or less, they can't.
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    Ranking points is one way. But the % of titles won(no of tournments won/no of tournaments participated) for the year can also be used. As I've said to Jasonmarc, in 2009 KKK/TBH was no 3 or no 4 in terms of percentage. No 3 if count total tournaments GP & above, no 4 if just SS titles.

    In 2009, LYD/JJS were tops in % of winning titles while Fu/Cai won both the major titles - AE & WC. There was a debate on this among the INA fans & our ardent Korea fan.

    You're anticipating KKK/TBH will play less than the projected 13 or 14 tournaments?(already listed in pg 3) This includes the non BWF sanctioned (no WR pts) like Commonwealth & AG.
    Cos if it's just less by 1 or 2 tourneys from 2009, I think it makes little difference .
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 01-11-2010 at 05:09 AM.

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    Quality so far out of two SS
    Malaysia Open : Champions
    All-England : 1st round

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    Thumbs up Credit should be given to Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen

    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post

    Quality so far out of two SS
    Malaysia Open : Champions
    All-England : 1st round

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    2010 All-England Tournament Mens Doubles:
    Credit should be given to Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen, the pair who defeated KKK/TBH (1st round) and all other pairs (in all other rounds) to become the Mens Doubles Champions.

    In a way this allowed KKK/TBH to save face because they were defeated by the eventual champions of the tournament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    Quality so far out of two SS
    Malaysia Open : Champions
    All-England : 1st round
    They are so called.....'extremist'........LOL..

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    Unhappy Be champions or be knocked-out in 1st Round

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonmarc View Post

    They are so called.....'extremist'........LOL..

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    So maybe they could be champions or be knocked-out in 1st Round again in their next tournament?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    So maybe they could be champions or be knocked-out in 1st Round again in their next tournament?
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    you know what everybody would be thinking... another yoyo

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    So maybe they could be champions or be knocked-out in 1st Round again in their next tournament?
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    Their trend dont work that way . The yoyo of Msia MD are Fuzzy - lose, lose, lose, go QF, Semi, lose some more.

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    Unfortunately, the two yoyos of Malaysia lose more than they go semis...
    whereas KKK/TBH go semis more than they lose...

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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    Unfortunately, the two yoyos of Malaysia lose more than they go semis...
    whereas KKK/TBH go semis more than they lose...
    what?
    those extremist doesnt want semi final
    they want unbeaten
    titles

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    what?
    those extremist doesnt want semi final
    they want unbeaten
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    Yes. Last year it was either first round or finals, isn't it? And an occasional title

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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    Yes. Last year it was either first round or finals, isn't it? And an occasional title
    Please look again at BWF ranking again, from Denmark SS onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    2010 All-England Tournament Mens Doubles:
    Credit should be given to Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen, the pair who defeated KKK/TBH (1st round) and all other pairs (in all other rounds) to become the Mens Doubles Champions.

    In a way this allowed KKK/TBH to save face because they were defeated by the eventual champions of the tournament.
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    nice dressing on words but u must look at how bad they lost to JR/LP, 13-21, 11-21. Those are whimpy scores for a #1 ranked pair. Even MAS rookie TAN/GAN was able to get more points off jr/lp 18-21, 20-22.

    kkk/tbh will face Boe/Moe in SO, let see how they do on denmark #2 MD pair.

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