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    what tennis should not be cut!! dont worry, stop blaming other sports! their is nothing wrong with badminton or any olympic sport! the stupid commity is probably fat rich guys that only care about the money, and right now, badminton is making a bit less money, soooo we should plan to organise a trip to the 2008 olympics! yah field trip!!!!

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    Ladies Beach Volleyball should NOT be cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy
    I believe the true Olympics spirit is to "participate", not blindly saying "give me a medal". If you are not good enough, do you think you deserve a medal? If someone is way better than you, do you think he deserve to be kicked out of the door, because he represent team xxx or yyy????

    There are way too much politics involved in today's sport. I know that we need to accept the fact of being "less ideal". However, using a less acceptable "reason" to cover the face, to me, is purely hmmmm... shameful.
    For me, the spirit of participation of the Olympics is to foster friendly competition among nations. That is key. If you believe that, then there is justification for entry limitation, not just for badminton but for all Olympic events. In any event, this is out of BWF's control.

    Contast to something like Badminton World Championships. The spirit of this tournament should be competition among the best players, so I advocate elimination of the entry rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin8768
    what tennis should not be cut!! dont worry, stop blaming other sports! their is nothing wrong with badminton or any olympic sport! the stupid commity is probably fat rich guys that only care about the money, and right now, badminton is making a bit less money, soooo we should plan to organise a trip to the 2008 olympics! yah field trip!!!!
    We don't want to blame other sports unnecessarily... but there is a limit on how many 'world sports' that will be held in one Olympic... I believe the limit is 32. And the Olympic commitee have a meeting every once in a while to include some new sport and thus exclude some of the existing sport... in the end, 32 types will be played.

    I heard, for the London Olympics 2012, badminton is safe! Baseball is out... [That's fair enough for me] [Even the Americans don't give a damn about Olympic baseball]

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor
    Errm haven't you all noticed how old this thread is?? I believe the vote has already been held ...
    Badminton is safe for the 2008 and 2012 Olympics. But 2016 is still not clear...

    So far, we badminton fans are lucky that the Olympic hosts [Beijing and London] care and give a damn about Badminton. They themselves are 'Badminton countries'.

    But what if an African or American country host the 2016 Olympic... Badminton is not a priority for them, only a burden, so they might very well not support Badminton's inclusion...

    Thus, I say, BWF should promote Badminton intensively in Africa and the American continent...

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    Maybe cut after 2008, when?? It's very clear that badminton still exist in London Games 2012 according its website. Probably next 2016?!

    I can't believe bdm isn't including in interesting-sport list. One logical reason is bdm isn't big-sport category in US and major Europe. As we know US is very powerful and influence at IOC to make one decision. Example Sydney 2000 controversy.

    What is criteria of the sport to being join olympic sport? Worldwide popularity, describe Olympic motto citius-altius-fortius or what? So confusing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna
    But what if an African or American country host the 2016 Olympic... Badminton is not a priority for them, only a burden, so they might very well not support Badminton's inclusion...

    Thus, I say, BWF should promote Badminton intensively in Africa and the American continent...
    Quote Originally Posted by CLELY
    I can't believe bdm isn't including in interesting-sport list. One logical reason is bdm isn't big-sport category in US and major Europe. As we know US is very powerful and influence at IOC to make one decision. Example Sydney 2000 controversy.
    ..lots of exposure, which = advertisements which = money(and lots of them) ..That's the big *influence*..
    Btw, the U.S. did host the 1996 Olympics(in Atlanta, GA), and at that time it also supported badminton as one of the event..
    And as most people realize, there is, arguably, no other country in the world that promotes commercialism as big as in the U.S...I and a few others have brought this up and somewhat discussed the idea before in another thread(s), but there are also some BC posters who didn't think the idea will fly(brought up lack of a badminton "explosion" or continuous exposure as "failure" from post-2005 WC, as an example)..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad
    ..lots of exposure, which = advertisements which = money(and lots of them) ..That's the big *influence*..
    Btw, the U.S. did host the 1996 Olympics(in Atlanta, GA), and at that time it also supported badminton as one of the event..
    And as most people realize, there is, arguably, no other country in the world that promotes commercialism as big as in the U.S...I and a few others have brought this up and somewhat discussed the idea before in another thread(s), but there are also some BC posters who didn't think the idea will fly(brought up lack of a badminton "explosion" or continuous exposure as "failure" from post-2005 WC, as an example)..
    Oh yes, the US supported the 1996 Olympics quite well. I remember. I was there too... But I don't know how long they can pay attention to Badminton. And from my observation, the other American continent countries, like Mexico, Argentina, etc. have not shown real interest in Badminton. These guys are whom I meant when I said BWF should get the American countries to pay attention.

    Aaaah, regarding advertising and money...
    Here's what I observe is happening, I hope BWF people shall read this:
    1. Tennis racket and attire sales worldwide are declining. The major advertisers are Wilson, Nike, and Adidas-Reebok.
    2. They need to look elsewhere for business development, preferrably areas where they can transfer their existing know-how pretty easily. [They are good at doing racket-design, sports attire design, and consumer-marketing]

    BWF then should:
    Help facilitate the process of capturing the imagination of the people [future consumers and future players] in Europe-Africa-Americas with human stories of the badminton stars. Their rise to glory, their struggle, their flamboyance, their challenges, their rivalry blabla... BWF should feed the media with these stuff...

    Basketball needed the Lakers vs. Celtics and Michael Jordan stories...
    Golf needed Tiger Woods, etc.
    Tennis needed McEnroe vs. Borg, Navratilova vs. Evert, Agassi, Sharapova, even Kournikova, Paradorn Srichapan, and Sania Mirza...
    Soccer... well, for the US market, they need something like David Beckham...
    The media loovvvess to cover these things above... Why? Because the people like to follow these kinds of news and information too... [human stories inspire!]

    When the media and people pays attention, the commercial value of the players go up. Then Wilson-Adidas-Reebok-Nike will milk their WORLDWIDE commercial value too... They will put in more money for sponsorship, put TV ads, etc... Major $$$! Because these sporting goods business guys expect to get more WORLDWIDE revenue later...

    In the end, everybody wins eh? Well, maybe not tennis, but hey, they're adults, they can take care of themselves... I play both tennis and badminton. Love both, but it seems to me, in the past 30 years, tennis have progressed much much much further than badminton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna
    BWF then should:
    Help facilitate the process of capturing the imagination of the people [future consumers and future players] in Europe-Africa-Americas with human stories of the badminton stars. Their rise to glory, their struggle, their flamboyance, their challenges, their rivalry blabla... BWF should feed the media with these stuff...

    Basketball needed the Lakers vs. Celtics and Michael Jordan stories...
    Golf needed Tiger Woods, etc.
    Tennis needed McEnroe vs. Borg, Navratilova vs. Evert, Agassi, Sharapova, even Kournikova, Paradorn Srichapan, and Sania Mirza...
    Soccer... well, for the US market, they need something like David Beckham...
    The media loovvvess to cover these things above... Why? Because the people like to follow these kinds of news and information too... [human stories inspire!]

    When the media and people pays attention, the commercial value of the players go up. Then Wilson-Adidas-Reebok-Nike will milk their WORLDWIDE commercial value too... They will put in more money for sponsorship, put TV ads, etc... Major $$$! Because these sporting goods business guys expect to get more WORLDWIDE revenue later...
    ...exactly what my point is/was all about..Where or what other country, other than the U.S., can generate such publicity and media frenzy and all those things you mentioned above?? Which in turn will generate all the commercialism/merketing spree...However, another factor to consider is, the U.S. population need local or home-grown athletes that they can somehow relate to?? Which of course, goes back to the "image" issue(if you know what i mean)..
    Side note: Btw, i recently heard this on the news that for the upcoming Super Bowl(American Football) match, advertisement(s) will cost abt $2-3mil for a 30 sec. commercial. I also heard, they've estimated abt min. 100 million viewers in the U.S. alone will tune in for the game. Tally those numbers up and you'll see why those companies who are digging in their pockets now are both risking & investing for a big return..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna
    Soccer... well, for the US market, they need something like David Beckham...
    American soccer is doomed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf
    American soccer is doomed.
    Hahahahahahah. Quoted for truth!!

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    Table tennis is not exactly doing well in the US, as with many other sports, but it is not in danger of getting the Olympic axe. And table tennis is an even poorer sport than badminton.

    I believe badminton is somewhere in the Olympic midtable. To strengthen its Olympic status, we cannot rely on US alone (baseball is in danger even with strong US lobby) but spread the popularity to many other nations. Traditionally, the European influence is also quite powerful, and I tend to believe that the Europeans will protect badminton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyBuddy
    I believe it will be after 2008. Still, cut a sport that played by over 30% of the world population is such a "fantastic" idea to reflect the "Olympic spirit"?????

    Wow... If that's the logic, why don't they cut basketball? Volleyball? Soccer? (Actually, almost all other "remaining events"). Since most of them, won't have much more population support than badminton (or table tennis) anyway... Never have to say, a lot of them won't have even close to have a support population as badminton.

    Ohhh... forgot this... Badminton and table tennis were dominated by asian nations, and few European ones...

    Hmmm... Ok... U got my point...
    100% Agreed. They can't cut a sport from Olympic just because the sport is not popular in their countries without considering the worldwide popularity.

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    Well, they can if they want to. You see the inclusion of sport into the Olympic is governed by the Olympic Charter, which set down rules on the criteria of admission in Chapter 5, Rule 47, article 1-7.

    In article 1.1, it says as a sport, it must be "widely practiced by men in at least 75 countries and on 4 continents, and by women in at least 40 countries and on 3 continents."

    For the host city, Chapter 5 Rule 48 article 1 says "the programme of the Games of the Olympiad must include at least 15 Olympic sports." Note this set the minimum but not the maximum, and todate there are 28 Olympic sports on the list including badminton, so in theory, 13 of them can be dropped. Mind you there are also many "Recongnised Sports" waiting to knock on the Olympic Sports door.

    Just for easy reference, here are the current 28 Olympic Sports:

    Aquatics
    Archery
    Athletics
    Badminton
    Baseball
    Basketball
    Boxing
    Canoe / kayak
    Cycling
    Equestrian
    Fencing
    Football
    Gymnastics
    Handball
    Hockey
    Judo
    Modern Pentathlon
    Rowing
    Sailing
    Shooting
    Softball
    Table Tennis
    Taekwondo
    Tennis
    Triathlon
    Volleyball
    Weightlifting
    Wrestling
    Some of the "older" sports are also kind of safe because in Chapter 5 Rule 47 article 4.4 also states that "Sports, disciplines or events included in the programme of the Olympic Games which no longer satisfy the criteria of this rule may nevertheless, in certain exceptional cases, be maintained therein by decision of the IOC for the sake of Olympic tradition."

    In the modern day Olympics where cost of hosting are extremely high (we always heard of hosting city makign huge financial loss), there will be constant pressure to cut down the sports.

    As the charter only state the minimum sports, badminton is not a guranteed safe sports, especially when the event is held say in the continent of Africa and South America if a decision is to be made to drop some sports.

    Never take the Olympic status for badminton for granted just because it is popular in Asia!

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    I have started to think that maybe it's not all that bad if they drop Badminton from the Olympics...

    The badminton associations around the world is relying to heavilly on olympics funding.. And they are not forced to look at more commercial aspect to fund and sposnor the game and players!!

    Maybe taking it of the olympics will lead to some more focus and creative measurements to get corporate sponsors, bigger TV-coverage etc. etc..

    But of course.. every 4th year its a highligt to watch the olympics badminton on TV.. that would be missed :-(

    /Twobeer

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    Twobeer, what you said might be true for the traditonal strong houses like China, Indonesia, Malaysia. The tradition and pride alone will keep the sport alive in these countries.

    But to the lesser countries, if the sport is excluded from Olympic, it can go either way. The best case would be as like what you say that the associations start to think more commercially, but there could also some that might go into oblivion.

    The less associations that are active, the less chance that badminton will be reinstated, so it could be a vicious cycle.

    I think whenever the Olympic is on, the world is watching. Even equestrian will get a mention in my local press during Olympic! Badminton needs to stay in there and that need a worldwide supports from everyone who loves this game.

    Yes I know that badminton is in 2008 and safe in 2012 olympic, but 2016? 2020? I just donot know.

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    US fears to CHN. that's why they want to cut badminton from OG.
    don't forget, only 3 golds separate US from China, from 28 golds in Atlanta 96 (US 44, CHN 16)

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