Bravesword 10 and 11

**ck1981** · 04-05-2010, 04:20 AM

I just bought the Victor Super Wave 33 Control. My performance is much better than when I use the Brave Sword 08 racquet. I bought the Brave Sword 08 last year because I thought it's a high end racquet and can improve my game by certain extend. However, it's not the case and it's even the opposite. Victor Super Wave 33 Control is really suitable for double players. You can easily control the shuttlecock with this racquet and can swing it and drill at a faster speed. It can help you stay in the game longer as it is light and won't drain your stamina quickly.

My conclusion is that we should not follow the latest racquets in the market. Brave Sword series racquets are stiff and not flexible. If you are the type of players who can't generate power when using a stiff racquet or can't reflex quickly using stiff racquet, it's better to forget about Brave Sword series and also the Yonex racquets. Study your body and your style of playing, learn the meaning of 3U/4U, G2/G5, head heavy/light, stiff/flexible, square head/convention head, balance point, type of grips, strings etc and go to find the racquets which match the stats suit you. I think this would help a lot and will not waste your money buying wrong racquets.

**Voldemont** · 04-05-2010, 04:38 AM

Originally Posted by Alexch

any kind soul here can help me to get BS11 3U from thailand?

@Alexch: There is no 3U BS10/BS11 being sold in Bangkok. Only 4U.

**teoky** · 04-05-2010, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by ck1981

I just bought the Victor Super Wave 33 Control. My performance is much better than when I use the Brave Sword 08 racquet. I bought the Brave Sword 08 last year because I thought it's a high end racquet and can improve my game by certain extend. However, it's not the case and it's even the opposite. Victor Super Wave 33 Control is really suitable for double players. You can easily control the shuttlecock with this racquet and can swing it and drill at a faster speed. It can help you stay in the game longer as it is light and won't drain your stamina quickly.

My conclusion is that we should not follow the latest racquets in the market. Brave Sword series racquets are stiff and not flexible. If you are the type of players who can't generate power when using a stiff racquet or can't reflex quickly using stiff racquet, it's better to forget about Brave Sword series and also the Yonex racquets. Study your body and your style of playing, learn the meaning of 3U/4U, G2/G5, head heavy/light, stiff/flexible, square head/convention head, balance point, type of grips, strings etc and go to find the racquets which match the stats suit you. I think this would help a lot and will not waste your money buying wrong racquets.

I have the BS08 also and it feels like a dead fish, not much feeling. I also can't generate much power from it.

In comparison, the SW33P I have is so much better. So don't just buy because a racquet is the top end, it doesn't mean it will play better.

BTW, the BS10 plays better than the BS08 in my opinion.

**blackvictor** · 04-05-2010, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by ck1981

I just bought the Victor Super Wave 33 Control. My performance is much better than when I use the Brave Sword 08 racquet. I bought the Brave Sword 08 last year because I thought it's a high end racquet and can improve my game by certain extend. However, it's not the case and it's even the opposite. Victor Super Wave 33 Control is really suitable for double players. You can easily control the shuttlecock with this racquet and can swing it and drill at a faster speed. It can help you stay in the game longer as it is light and won't drain your stamina quickly.

My conclusion is that we should not follow the latest racquets in the market. Brave Sword series racquets are stiff and not flexible. If you are the type of players who can't generate power when using a stiff racquet or can't reflex quickly using stiff racquet, it's better to forget about Brave Sword series and also the Yonex racquets. Study your body and your style of playing, learn the meaning of 3U/4U, G2/G5, head heavy/light, stiff/flexible, square head/convention head, balance point, type of grips, strings etc and go to find the racquets which match the stats suit you. I think this would help a lot and will not waste your money buying wrong racquets.

Bravesword 8 and Bravesword 11 are completely different rackets. You can't judge a whole series with just one of the lower models. Also, the stiffness of Braveswords are all different.

And there's no need to drag Yonex into this. This is a thread specifically for Bravesword 10 and 11. I can't see the relation between BS 8 and Yonex rackets...At least give a reason to support your idea of not purchasing one.

IMO, Victor and Yonex are both very good brands.

**angchor** · 04-05-2010, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Sealman

no need to go to thailand. you can get it from jb eg. permai, hongly

Last week checked the price at Permai. Its (BS11) RM369 w/o string. Not sure got bag anot. Was told by boss while stock last.

**Lordofthefart** · 04-05-2010, 08:04 PM

Had both sold my 11. 10 was more powerful and more solid for me. I like a stiffer shaft and the feel that goes along with it. This is totally opinion based since when I look at it from an objective point of view, they are exactly the same quality with different specs. Therefore one should not consider which is the better of the two but rather which is better for themselves.

BTW I still prefer my BS09 and/or SW33C to them any day. But again, that is totally personal feel and comfort.

**ck1981** · 04-05-2010, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by blackvictor

Bravesword 8 and Bravesword 11 are completely different rackets. You can't judge a whole series with just one of the lower models. Also, the stiffness of Braveswords are all different.

And there's no need to drag Yonex into this. This is a thread specifically for Bravesword 10 and 11. I can't see the relation between BS 8 and Yonex rackets...At least give a reason to support your idea of not purchasing one.

IMO, Victor and Yonex are both very good brands.

Okay, maybe I should not drag Yonex in. What I meant is Brave Sword series racquets are stiff as I have checked all of their stiffness. Yonex racquets are even stiffer. There is a balance point between Stiff and Flexible. None of the Brave Sword series are below the balance point. Only Brave Sword 09 stays at the balance point and other Brave Sword racquets are above to Stiff. Even if the Brave Sword 09 is at the balanced point, it's still stiff for me.

Well, it's my physical that cannot support the stiff racquets. I know all the international players use stiff racquets and some of them even use the stiffest one. The only way to change is to train my arm and body intensively. It's not easy and it depends on whether you want to be a professional player or just a casual player.

**Lordofthefart** · 04-05-2010, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by ck1981

Okay, maybe I should not drag Yonex in. What I meant is Brave Sword series racquets are stiff as I have checked all of their stiffness. Yonex racquets are even stiffer. There is a balance point between Stiff and Flexible. None of the Brave Sword series are below the balance point. Only Brave Sword 09 stays at the balance point and other Brave Sword racquets are above to Stiff. Even if the Brave Sword 09 is at the balanced point, it's still stiff for me.

Well, it's my physical that cannot support the stiff racquets. I know all the international players use stiff racquets and some of them even use the stiffest one. The only way to change is to train my arm and body intensively. It's not easy and it depends on whether you want to be a professional player or just a casual player.

I don't know if you've actually ever tried to play with either BS 10 or 11. Personally I have owned all of the named racquets aside from the BS8 but the 09 plays quite differently from the 10 and the 11. You can't make generalizations about racquets that you've never used based on stats alone. There is a qualitative feel that you can't get from pure numbers. Even though the 11 is closer to the 09 in terms of specs, I feel that it is more comparable to the 10 than the 09.

**Easy Tiger** · 04-05-2010, 10:51 PM

This is all testament to the fact that Victors specifications are confusing as hell. I recently bought a BS11 because my thinking was that the 10 was more singles orientated, and I didn't like the idea of a medium stiffness 9 so I went for the 11 as the first one to try.

Still, it's a 170 buck stab in the dark.

**ck1981** · 04-06-2010, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Lordofthefart

I don't know if you've actually ever tried to play with either BS 10 or 11. Personally I have owned all of the named racquets aside from the BS8 but the 09 plays quite differently from the 10 and the 11. You can't make generalizations about racquets that you've never used based on stats alone. There is a qualitative feel that you can't get from pure numbers. Even though the 11 is closer to the 09 in terms of specs, I feel that it is more comparable to the 10 than the 09.

Well, as I said, this is what happened to me and this is my personal opinion and experience only. Indeed I have a Brave Sword 08 and it can't generate enough power and speed in the double games. I've been doing "trials and errors" for many different brands of racquets ranging from yonex, carlton, proace, apacs, prince, li ning to victor for many years. I know myself well and now can roughly know whether the racquet is suitable for me when I grab and swing it. You should be able to do that after you have played badminton for many years.

Although I never try BS09, 10 and 11 before, I did grab and swing them at the shops. All of them are stiff and not my likings. Well, I believe if you train your arm and body well, stiff racquets are not a problem anymore and they can even boast your smashing compared to non-stiff racquets.

**ziggy87** · 04-06-2010, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by ck1981

Well, as I said, this is what happened to me and this is my personal opinion and experience only. Indeed I have a Brave Sword 08 and it can't generate enough power and speed in the double games. I've been doing "trials and errors" for many different brands of racquets ranging from yonex, carlton, proace, apacs, prince, li ning to victor for many years. I know myself well and now can roughly know whether the racquet is suitable for me when I grab and swing it. You should be able to do that after you have played badminton for many years.

Although I never try BS09, 10 and 11 before, I did grab and swing them at the shops. All of them are stiff and not my likings. Well, I believe if you train your arm and body well, stiff racquets are not a problem anymore and they can even boast your smashing compared to non-stiff racquets.

BS11 stiff?? I don't feel that it's stiff at all..i liked the BS09 though. no chance to try the BS10

**Easy Tiger** · 04-06-2010, 01:43 AM

At this rate I'll have to get all four rackets ;o)

**ziggy87** · 04-06-2010, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Easy Tiger

At this rate I'll have to get all four rackets ;o)

you're welcomed to do so :P

**ck1981** · 04-06-2010, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by ziggy87

BS11 stiff?? I don't feel that it's stiff at all..i liked the BS09 though. no chance to try the BS10

Yes, it's stiff if you play quick doubles. Anyway, your arm must be muscular so that you can handle the stiffness.

**ziggy87** · 04-06-2010, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by ck1981

Yes, it's stiff if you play quick doubles. Anyway, your arm must be muscular so that you can handle the stiffness.

then that must be my adaptation to stiff rackets
all my rackets are stiff :P
that's why i did not found BS11 to be stiff

**Lordofthefart** · 04-07-2010, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by ck1981

Well, as I said, this is what happened to me and this is my personal opinion and experience only. Indeed I have a Brave Sword 08 and it can't generate enough power and speed in the double games. I've been doing "trials and errors" for many different brands of racquets ranging from yonex, carlton, proace, apacs, prince, li ning to victor for many years. I know myself well and now can roughly know whether the racquet is suitable for me when I grab and swing it. You should be able to do that after you have played badminton for many years.

Although I never try BS09, 10 and 11 before, I did grab and swing them at the shops. All of them are stiff and not my likings. Well, I believe if you train your arm and body well, stiff racquets are not a problem anymore and they can even boast your smashing compared to non-stiff racquets.

I've been buying and selling racquets for quiet a while and played with many many racquets from a wide range of brands. I have never been able to get an accurate gauge of a racquet until I took it out onto the court. Just because the shaft is one way or another doesn't meant it's the be all and end all of a racquet. Personally I can't say that the 08 has enough resemblance to the 10&11 to be a fair judge but then again that is subject to my personal opinion.