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08-27-2010, 04:28 AM #35
nobody here said that the match between raj and lcw would be the same as raj and joj
that is, with coach kenneth around.....
i think its only you, ctjcad asking whether that would helps
i am sure you knew the answer before they play.
credit still goes to coach kenneth for the raj/joj match
08-27-2010, 04:51 AM #36
coach kenneth was around between LCW vs. Rajiv match...why different result?...
credit goes to coach kenneth for the RO vs. JOJ match but how much? 50%?, 33%? 75%?..
i'd say credit goes more to Rajiv and partly to JOJ for playing below his standard...coach Kenneth gets 1/3 of the credit, in my book..
08-27-2010, 05:44 AM #37
why different result?
i am very surprise for a question like that
i hope somebody here can answer you that
08-27-2010, 05:48 AM #38
yes, please, someone else help answer that..
08-27-2010, 06:28 AM #39
You are right Raj skill is above average for his level, but his speed/agility is below average for his level. If this can improve he will get better results.
I wouldn't expect KJ to be making any ENG players up to LCW level - if he does he will be a genius coach, but I doubt he will. KJ can't be judged on 1 performace agains JOJ...
08-27-2010, 09:01 AM #40
08-27-2010, 10:53 AM #41
- What's wrong with 1/3%? too low? or too much?....how much percentage would you give to KJ/a coach as credit?..
I'll give another illustration:
TH has had basically the same coach for the last 10 or so yrs. He won the WC and OG back in 2004 and 2005 (and maybe 2006 AG). Then why up until now, he hasn't won anything bigger yet since? Not even a SS title?..Is it really because his coach hasn't given him enough good tips??..Who's responsibility is that?..
And yes, i concur we can't judge KJ with Rajiv's 1 win over JOJ..
08-27-2010, 02:37 PM #42
Putting % credit to coach on players is impossible. I would say 33% is high however. From beginner stage naturally coachin is 100%, but once professional player it is as I say impossible to tell.
TH is TH. He plays and trains in fits & spurts. When you play for so many years your desire naturally will come & go. The coach is the constant in Taufik life & can be credited quite a lot, since he has won everything except AE...
When coaches come & go in players lives it is harder. The ENG MS players have had many coaches over the past few years....there performances however are much the same. KJ acts as catalyst in motivation as he is a great player they look upto and respect, but it is in 2-3 years he should be judged/credited If he has "turned" Raj into a constant in the top 10 and reaching finals/maybe winning some SS events, then he has accomplished a great achievment. If Raj goes out in 1st, 2nd round mostly, maybe reach a few QF/SF and is in the top 20-30, then I would suggest there has been little impact.
08-28-2010, 01:27 AM #43
Up to the players (incl. opponent) to decide the outcome..
- Yes, i'm referring to pro players level not beginner level stage.
- I brought up the TH example w/the same coach to show that a coach plays minimal impact in a pro players performance. At least, to me, it's 33%. For you maybe less, that's fine.
- Also notice the 6th post before post #34, why no mention of credit also goes to the players (Rajiv and to an extent JOJ for playing below par)? Aren't they the ones who executed and determined the outcome? If credit given to coach Kenneth, how much?..
- If i recall, Kenneth was already part of the ENG coaching staff prior to this yr's European Championships. Guess what, Rajiv played vs. JOJ and Rajiv lost in straight games. Add to that, it was their first meeting. I thought KJ would already give JOJ lots of tips already by then if one wants to use the argument that KJ knows JOJ. This was actually their 2nd meeting since KJ joined the ENG squad.
Last edited by ctjcad; 08-28-2010 at 01:37 AM.
09-03-2010, 07:46 AM #44
As in why we got different results in both RO vs JOJ and RO vs LCW, I assumed you have been surfing the forum long enough to figure out why.
As a general statement, the coach do play a big part in some players' performance. The coach is the one who design the training routines for the trainees and any wrong analysis from the coach part could hinder the player's development(we are not talking about training a player like Lin Dan caliber who has been on the top of the podium and knows what he should train to keep up). And trust in your coach is very important, if you do not trust your coach(doubt his caliber because he doesn't has olympic medals under his belt), you will start to doubt your own game and your coach analysis and that's a physcology disadvantage when you are playing on court.
09-03-2010, 12:45 PM #45
- Mind explaining LD's loss vs. PSH, with TXH and XXZ sitting there & coaching him? I think putting the emphasis on coaches as a big factor or part, even in some players' performance is a bit overrated, esp. with pros. By doing that, it implies, whether a player wins or loses, the results depend on his or her coach. IMO, it'll always come down to mostly the players (and the opponents) to perform and decide the result. A good example is, will assigning TXH and/or XXZ to a player like Nguyen Tien Minh transform him to a world beater like LD?..
Last edited by ctjcad; 09-03-2010 at 12:49 PM.
09-03-2010, 04:05 PM #46
With respect to the NTM idea - that I would like to see. I think he would be very motivated by being coached by XXZ & TXH and I tihnk he has great basics (speed, gernal techniques etc..) he just needs to piece it all together. Never going to happen, but on a different level is is a similar situation with RO & KJ. RO will play out of his skin to impress the great player.
09-03-2010, 10:15 PM #47
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10-27-2010, 03:45 PM #50
Kenneth's current pupil, Carl Baxter, just lost to Kenneth's ex-teammate, Joachim Persson, in straight games..
what happened??..did Kenneth forget to give enough playing tips to Carl??..
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