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    i really dont know what privilege group means.. i worked hard for everything i got today. including degree, everyting... i resent being lumped as a group that is lazy and ignorant.. my grandparents worked hard more than 12 hours a day.. my parents worked several jobs to sent me to school, you dare call them lazy? .. please stop labelling a whole group people.as being whatever your stereotyped mines has set to. We are talking about badminton here if you want to talk about racism or government policies .. go somewhere else ok

    Quote Originally Posted by keigo911 View Post
    i have no problem if the privilege group excel better than others... but the current situation is different.
    Due to country policies, the privilege group tends to be lazy, ignorant mainly because once they have achieved some result equivalent to the elite group, they will get selected.

    Our management has always made the wrong choice by not choosing the best of the best. What i mean is even in the elite group there is a performance system. Whoever hits high on that is picked.

    I have not much to comment about HH selection, but really doubt why fuzzy can be selected.... what i mean is the real reason behind the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajrul View Post
    i really dont know what privilege group means.. i worked hard for everything i got today. including degree, everyting... i resent being lumped as a group that is lazy and ignorant.. my grandparents worked hard more than 12 hours a day.. my parents worked several jobs to sent me to school, you dare call them lazy? .. please stop labelling a whole group people.as being whatever your stereotyped mines has set to. We are talking about badminton here if you want to talk about racism or government policies .. go somewhere else ok
    Hey bro, calm down.... i do not means to insulting anyone else here... i am talking about badminton too, do you c i mentioning about they achieved some result equivalent to elite group? BAM has the elite group, whereby all the best players of the country are in. In fact, i am not referring to all the members inside the privilege group, just part of it, and who is related to badminton.
    Frankly said, every race throughout the world has good and bad guys, no1 should deny this. In MAS, so does the privilege and non-privilege group. So i'm not bringing in any political issue here. I also not questioning about out country setup so-called perlembagaan, whereby the country constitution was built-up during the formation of MAS.
    I just feel that somehow the BAM management still living in the past, whereby organization outside MAS is already heading towards merit system, whereby there is no-longer privilege, all treated as 1 family, same citizen, and whoever score higher get it. That's it...

    pity me, suddenly kena bazuka boom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by keigo911 View Post

    pity me, suddenly kena bazuka boom...
    cheers bro .. point taken... no hard feelings....no harm done..(i just felt the need to clarify the air)

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    if u can avoid a punishment and still get send to tournament
    is that not a privilege?

    if u are not in form,having injury,but u still used up all the resources(coach,fund,etc)
    is that not a privilege(not mentioning fuzzy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    if u can avoid a punishment and still get send to tournament
    is that not a privilege?

    if u are not in form,having injury,but u still used up all the resources(coach,fund,etc)
    is that not a privilege(not mentioning fuzzy)
    if BAM made it clear like local Uni were certain percentages of places are allocated for The privileged, there will be no arguments... people will just live on with it and work things around it...

    Instead of having unclear policies which also work the same way, its better to has a black & white thingy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    if BAM made it clear like local Uni were certain percentages of places are allocated for The privileged, there will be no arguments... people will just live on with it and work things around it...

    Instead of having unclear policies which also work the same way, its better to has a black & white thingy...
    we learn and we correct ourselves - i think they should look into it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    if u can avoid a punishment and still get send to tournament
    is that not a privilege?

    if u are not in form,having injury,but u still used up all the resources(coach,fund,etc)
    is that not a privilege(not mentioning fuzzy)
    We don't have enough information about this case to dismiss it as gross mismanagement. If BAM were to sack every player that has a poor spell they will end up with players like you and me. You want that?
    Maybe a change in coaches will bring some welcome improvements. Contrary to what you are implying, I feel that the "injured" player's inclusion was the decision of all the coaches and not from the BAM council.
    Also this is a misuse of the word privilege. A privilege is a specified special right. This is not. It is romour mongering.

    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    if BAM made it clear like local Uni were certain percentages of places are allocated for The privileged, there will be no arguments... people will just live on with it and work things around it...

    Instead of having unclear policies which also work the same way, its better to has a black & white thingy...
    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    we learn and we correct ourselves - i think they should look into it!
    This is nonsense. Universities have a quota system based on race based on an objective, i.e. to have more university graduates of one race.
    Badminton has a different objective: to win honours for the country. To do this they select the best combination team to achieve an objective. To say that the team is chosen with one race being given special privileges at the discretion of the boss or the council is insulting to the intelligence of any Malaysian. Although the internet is a free-for-all writing board or punching bag, depending on what you choose, may I remind you that a person's inner self and character is revealed by his writings expressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    We don't have enough information about this case to dismiss it as gross mismanagement. If BAM were to sack every player that has a poor spell they will end up with players like you and me. You want that?
    Maybe a change in coaches will bring some welcome improvements. Contrary to what you are implying, I feel that the "injured" player's inclusion was the decision of all the coaches and not from the BAM council.
    Also this is a misuse of the word privilege. A privilege is a specified special right. This is not. It is romour mongering. (1st)

    This is nonsense. Universities have a quota system based on race based on an objective, i.e. to have more university graduates of one race.
    Badminton has a different objective: to win honours for the country. To do this they select the best combination team to achieve an objective. To say that the team is chosen with one race being given special privileges at the discretion of the boss or the council is insulting to the intelligence of any Malaysian. Although the internet is a free-for-all writing board or punching bag, depending on what you choose, may I remind you that a person's inner self and character is revealed by his writings expressed.(2nd)
    1st,
    i dont want to say much on ur concept
    the only thing i will want to inform u:none of the coaches have the final say in bam,except for the likes like misbun and rashid

    2nd,
    this is a nonsense as well
    if they are to win honours for the country
    THEY will not choose fairuz/zakry who are not even in top four of our men double department
    if fairuz/zakry is the 2nd or 3rd pair in bam like 2 year ago,no one will question that

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    erm, on paper some1 is on edge...
    will the outcome be the same as prediction (based on merit/performance/ability)?
    let us see tml...

    limsy, i guess u and i know who will most probably be... hehe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    1st,
    .....
    the only thing i will want to inform u:none of the coaches have the final say in bam,except for the likes like misbun and rashid

    2nd,
    this is a nonsense as well
    if they are to win honours for the country
    THEY will not choose fairuz/zakry who are not even in top four of our men double department
    if fairuz/zakry is the 2nd or 3rd pair in bam like 2 year ago,no one will question that
    Hiyaaa, we say many times already, they want accept or not up to them. Cannot show proof so direct mah........ ISA, Sedition Act, hehe.
    Officially your no 1 point include all coaches, BAM President make press statement that coach dont make final decision on player selection, but BAM Coaching & Training Committee (BAM Council) . NSC Director can even instruct coach to focus more on such & such a pair, he was quoted saying so in press statement.

    Your pt no 2, in 2008 Fuzzy was only the reserve pair, uncles CTF/LWW, KKK/TBH were the main pairs, by merit. The youngsters too raw. Mak/Teo havent even won WJC yet then. This time around, it's not logic (by merit) at all they chose Fuzzy considering their poor form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Hiyaaa, we say many times already, they want accept or not up to them. Cannot show proof so direct mah........ ISA, Sedition Act, hehe.
    Officially your no 1 point include all coaches, BAM President make press statement that coach dont make final decision on player selection, but BAM Coaching & Training Committee (BAM Council) . NSC Director can even instruct coach to focus more on such & such a pair, he was quoted saying so in press statement.

    Your pt no 2, in 2008 Fuzzy was only the reserve pair, uncles CTF/LWW, KKK/TBH were the main pairs, by merit. The youngsters too raw. Mak/Teo havent even won WJC yet then. This time around, it's not logic (by merit) at all they chose Fuzzy considering their poor form.
    Hey eagle, watch out your words le... later u will kena bazuka again like me... hahaha! (just jking, no means to offend/insult pajrol. Bro, i'm fine Hehe! )

    overall, selection of fuzzy pair to TC 2010 just not reasonable...as there are too many pair steps ahead them this time. Even simulation match also a prove, but still nid Rexy's help to "explain" to media, and convince MAS fans that they are capable... zzz

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    Quote Originally Posted by keigo911 View Post
    Hey eagle, watch out your words le... later u will kena bazuka again like me... hahaha! (just jking, no means to offend/insult pajrol. Bro, i'm fine Hehe! )
    You must know how to show the facts mah. Some people want proof, point no 1 are all press statements, newspaper got print one.

    On no 2, there are many examples of what happened to other Msia MD pairs when they DONT show much result, read the relevant threads sure will know.
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 06-03-2010 at 12:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    1st,
    i dont want to say much on ur concept
    the only thing i will want to inform u:none of the coaches have the final say in bam,except for the likes like misbun and rashid

    2nd,
    this is a nonsense as well
    if they are to win honours for the country
    THEY will not choose fairuz/zakry who are not even in top four of our men double department
    if fairuz/zakry is the 2nd or 3rd pair in bam like 2 year ago,no one will question that
    aiy0.. limsy no need to explain to people la... majority of us understand what is going on lol... great to have strong supporter like u... keep up the good work!

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    Don't want to comment on the secretary thing.

    As for Fuzzy etc., I think the backups are not a mile ahead of them yet. The backups have to perform MUCH better in order to get selected. As for talking about who lost to who, even KKK/TBH lost to Fuzzy before, so, they can use this reason to show why they chose Fuzzy instead of Mak/Tan, Chan/Lim or Hoon/Ong (Although we know that the Fuzzy now is worse than all three of the other pairs). Hoon/Ong getting more chances now though, and that's a first step but their careers are already past the halfway mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keigo911 View Post
    erm, on paper some1 is on edge...
    will the outcome be the same as prediction (based on merit/performance/ability)?
    let us see tml...

    limsy, i guess u and i know who will most probably be... hehe!
    hehe

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Hiyaaa, we say many times already, they want accept or not up to them. Cannot show proof so direct mah........ ISA, Sedition Act, hehe.
    Officially your no 1 point include all coaches, BAM President make press statement that coach dont make final decision on player selection, but BAM Coaching & Training Committee (BAM Council) . NSC Director can even instruct coach to focus more on such & such a pair, he was quoted saying so in press statement.

    Your pt no 2, in 2008 Fuzzy was only the reserve pair, uncles CTF/LWW, KKK/TBH were the main pairs, by merit. The youngsters too raw. Mak/Teo havent even won WJC yet then. This time around, it's not logic (by merit) at all they chose Fuzzy considering their poor form.
    1st,there are word called influence

    2nd,yup,they are the 3rd pair
    in 2008 only
    in 2010?6th



    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    aiy0.. limsy no need to explain to people la... majority of us understand what is going on lol... great to have strong supporter like u... keep up the good work!
    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    Don't want to comment on the secretary thing.

    As for Fuzzy etc., I think the backups are not a mile ahead of them yet. The backups have to perform MUCH better in order to get selected. As for talking about who lost to who, even KKK/TBH lost to Fuzzy before, so, they can use this reason to show why they chose Fuzzy instead of Mak/Tan, Chan/Lim or Hoon/Ong (Although we know that the Fuzzy now is worse than all three of the other pairs). Hoon/Ong getting more chances now though, and that's a first step but their careers are already past the halfway mark.
    yeah
    they beat koo/tan
    yeah
    when is the last time?

    they didnt win any matches in 2010!

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    i am with everybody else.. i dont like the fact that the fuzzy pair is being favored over other seemingly better pair. if they still get chosen and still keep losing.. i wonder if bam can be held accountable for their choice. and answer to fans...

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