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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    Why? Thinking of becoming a pastor after retirement?
    My friend, I have sinned many times, pastorship I pass...Taneepak post #510 'But strict controls in religious bodies are difficult to carry out because of the stigma of fear of being accused of a lack of Godly trust' is correct and I agree.
    There is a church here that in the annual financial report stated it collected $8.3M and spent $6.7M in staff salaries, giving $350K to fund foreigh churches to spread the gospel. That is 80% for salaries alone. With a large of group of the 'workers' are volunteers, how much are the governor and head pastor make?
    Many times during sermons, the governor and the head pastor would make a pitch that the church had given $10k to a church in Ukraine, $30K for missions, and so on, and during the last recession, where offerings were down, the governor stood on the podium and ask the congregation to pitch in more, otherwise they have to laid of staff and cut back on foreign projects. Guess what, the funds are topped up again. Why don't the governor emphasize that salaries consume 80% of the funds?
    I brought this 'report' up during our group meetings, it raised eyebrows among my friends who do not read the report. Many were upset seeing the huge disparity between staff cost and other expenses. Two of our friends, one is a rich business owner and the other is a malaysian who is a devote christian said, they gave to the church and if the leaders mispent them, they can answer to god. Such is faith.
    The bible says believe in christ and you can have an eternal life, in the bible it says to offer tithe (i.e. a tenth part of one's annual income contributed voluntarily, i.e. gross annual income'), so the church collects the tithes, and it continues....
    So there you go, if you have strong faith and pay your tithe, you book a ticket to heaven after your time on earth is done...it is one big business....amen.

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    A friend sent me a youtube video of one pastor Benny Hinn who travels in private jet, stays in presidential suites, lives in a big mansion and spends money on branded goods for himself and his family.

    That is luxurious living, fit for a king!

    No wonder 80% of the church funds go to salaries and related costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    I'm not as sure as you are that China is succeeding in replacing Western business models and inventions. She adopted western capitalism to spearhead it's drive to prosperity. While she has succeeded in some some ways largely because of low cost, often cited as unfair competition by the West, including her undervalued currency, China is now experiencing unequal growth between it's prosperous coastal regions and the more suburban central and western regions.
    That opinion is from the west's view. All western predictions and analysis about China have been wrong: from the certain collapse of China after the June 4, 1984 Tianaman incident to the overthrow of the government from its rising internet "chatter-box" Arab Spring unraveling of the country. Instead these western self-appointed soothsayers have eggs thrown on their faces.
    Maybe, a little peep into the China paradox here will ensure that anyone schooled in only western values will not make fools of themselves time and time again, can be useful: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/op...ht-edli19.html.
    Another thing the west misleads the world is about China's undervalued currency, unfair trade practices, etc. These are nonsense, if you are consider what the west and in particular the US have done.
    The US has bailed out banks and auto companies with amounts so huge that these enterprises can afford to sell their services and cars at zero values but did not. Such is the size of the bailouts that so called undervalued currencies are puny in comparison.
    Of course I am not against such huge bailouts and in the same vein any so called undervalued currencies if I am the importing country! I would regard these as helping me, my family and my country with affordable goods and services so that I can focus on other sectors that I have a comparative advantage. Only losers and American politicians with ulterior motives complain of such goodies as unfair competition. Even then these politicians buy all such so called "cheap" goods/services.
    What the west should appreciate is that the Chinese are genetically smarter and have genes that predispose them to higher life expectancy. These combinations frighten the wits out of them. The west's greatest disadvantage is their inability to follow the Chinese mind, and hence its not unjustified phobia about the threat of China.

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    http://cpds.apana.org.au/Teams/Artic...mic_engine.htm

    This link provides some interesting views on the Chinese model versus it's Western counterparts especially.

    China has been trying to catch up with the US all these years but not quite reached there yet. If China possesses superior genes and talents it would not have taken so long and is still struggling to achieve balanced growth with a largely centrally controlled system in almost every sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    ...What the west should appreciate is that the Chinese are genetically smarter and have genes that predispose them to higher life expectancy. These combinations frighten the wits out of them. The west's greatest disadvantage is their inability to follow the Chinese mind, and hence its not unjustified phobia about the threat of China.
    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
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    China has been trying to catch up with the US all these years but not quite reached there yet. If China possesses superior genes and talents it would not have taken so long and is still struggling to achieve balanced growth with a largely centrally controlled system in almost every sector.
    hey mr. t & uncle Loh, we all know both CHN (east) and the U.S. (western world) have to rely on each other to keep each economy going. Nothing surprising, we need the producers and the consumers. Perhaps it's meant to be, to have CHN & its more than 1 billion people producing most of the world's goods (and raking in the money) to keep their economy alive and to have U.S. (and the western world) consume and enjoy all of the CHN's "cheap" (some even say crap) goods.
    Imagine also what would happen if CHN all of a sudden goes the full-democracy mode with its more than 1.2 bil people (that's roughly 4x the size of U.S.)?..
    1 thing the CHN people and culture can teach the U.S. & western world is how to save and be smart with one's money..

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    I think articles on China from western writers or experts should be suspect as they know very little about China, its people, and its culture. So far almost every dire prediction they have come out with have been wrong. Although Australia is closer to China than other western countries, its ignorance of China and all things Chinese is quite obvious.
    China a country of shoddy goods? Not so come 2013, www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12885271, the year China will surpass the US in science.
    China a slow starter, are you joking? No less than the IMF is predicting that China will surpass the US economy in 2016, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rpass-us.html/

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    I think articles on China from western writers or experts should be suspect as they know very little about China, its people, and its culture. So far almost every dire prediction they have come out with have been wrong. Although Australia is closer to China than other western countries, its ignorance of China and all things Chinese is quite obvious.
    China a country of shoddy goods? Not so come 2013, www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12885271, the year China will surpass the US in science.
    China a slow starter, are you joking? No less than the IMF is predicting that China will surpass the US economy in 2016, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rpass-us.html/
    The corrected second website referred to should be http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...urpass-us.html.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    ...China a country of shoddy goods? Not so come 2013, www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12885271, the year China will surpass the US in science.
    ...
    ..and the part about "Quality questions" in that article ?...aaahhh..

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    There are two powerful forces at work that propel China at such breakneck speed.
    One is that it is China's national policy to focus and develop science and technology. Two, unlike many other countries, China also promotes freedom FROM religion besides freedom of religion. You see the difference here? One and two combined form a powerful synergy, as one needs to free the mind to pursue the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    hey mr. t & uncle Loh, we all know both CHN (east) and the U.S. (western world) have to rely on each other to keep each economy going. Nothing surprising, we need the producers and the consumers. Perhaps it's meant to be, to have CHN & its more than 1 billion people producing most of the world's goods (and raking in the money) to keep their economy alive and to have U.S. (and the western world) consume and enjoy all of the CHN's "cheap" (some even say crap) goods.
    Imagine also what would happen if CHN all of a sudden goes the full-democracy mode with its more than 1.2 bil people (that's roughly 4x the size of U.S.)?..
    1 thing the CHN people and culture can teach the U.S. & western world is how to save and be smart with one's money..
    Well one day CHN may learn to be as smart as the US by printing more money to buy up all the nice, but not crappy, goods of the world and become BIG spenders for a change instead of big producers...hahaha.

    That may take some time for the world to accept the yuan as hard currency, unlike the US dollar which even HKG still looks up to to peg it's own currency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak View Post
    I think articles on China from western writers or experts should be suspect as they know very little about China, its people, and its culture. So far almost every dire prediction they have come out with have been wrong. Although Australia is closer to China than other western countries, its ignorance of China and all things Chinese is quite obvious.
    China a country of shoddy goods? Not so come 2013, www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12885271, the year China will surpass the US in science.
    China a slow starter, are you joking? No less than the IMF is predicting that China will surpass the US economy in 2016, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rpass-us.html/
    Maybe it should be reminded that today's world is vastly different from yesteryears.


    With the advent of mostly advanced "western" technology and inventions, people can travel the world over both physically and through cyberspace to gain instant knowledge on all sorts of disciplines, culture, etc. Even the west has been producing vast amounts of information and literature on the east, including CHN, to add on to the understanding of humanity. So do not think the west, especially the US, is ignorant about CHN and elsewhere.

    On the subject of religion, the thorny issue of Tibet has not been resolved since it first arose. Only until more recently that Christianity has been allowed to practise. As far as I know the US is a secular state and all religions are allowed.
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    It would be very interesting to find out and compare the IQ of China's Politburo members with the US's so called inner Cabinet. It could be rather embarrassing for the US.
    It may surprise many here that the US is the world's major unequal country with a Gini Coefficient worse than Africa, South America, China, Asia, and almost every country in the world.This is now at a time when the democrats are in power. Should there be a changing of the guards the republicans will probably push up the US's current Gini Coefficient of 46.8 to 50!
    Yes, both HK and Singapore and also Malaysia have Gini Coefficients that are at or worse than China's.
    Japan and western Europe are much better. China during Mao's time was also good but that was because everybody was poor! There is not much fun to have equality in poverty, what say you?

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    The latest killings in a Colorado cinema is characteristic of the US. Such incidents will happen again and again with no end in sight.
    What is wrong with the country? Have you listened to what president Obama as well as what Romney said about this tragedy? They talked rubbish with not a single word of what each would do to prevent it from happening again. Instead, only nice words, sorry here and sorry there, with complete inaction to solve the problem.
    Arresting the murderer is merely a reaction, not the same as prevention. We see such tragic reactions all over the world, from Iraq to Afghanistan, and now the next BIG ONE "Syria" and"Iran".
    For god's sake, can't they do anything to prevent such things from happening again? Please, start being a real Statesman.

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    Colorado shooting unlikely to spur changes in gun laws...

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    Quote Originally Posted by King's View Post
    Colorado shooting unlikely to spur changes in gun laws...
    I agree and here is where the root problem is. Some say the constitution says thou are free to bear arms, even if it means killing innocent people every few times a year. This is like being trapped in a sealed box with no hope to jumping out from the box, let alone thinking outside the box.

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    Many of you may not know that China has a set of WTO unfair trade rules imposed by western countries when it joined the body in 2001. This draconian rule was like a blackmail imposed and inflicted on China, after negotiating fruitlessly with the US for 15 years, as a "bribe" to be allowed to join the WTO. The rules then gave the US the sole power to either approve or not approve China's bid to join the WTO. This unfair treatment runs for 15 years and exists for the sole purpose of giving the US, EU, and Japan the prerogative to impose tariffs on Chinese goods/services on significantly easier justification. This rule has 5 more years to run and the west has so far refused to show any goodwill towards China by foregoing this unfair trading rule. In spite of this one-sided rule the US and the EU keep hitting China with unfair tariffs that China is not allowed to reciprocate under the same circumstances.
    Yet, China is more global in outlook and continues to help the US and the EU from sinking financially.
    Do you know what will happen to the EU and the US after the end of 2016? Besides that year is the year the IMF is forecasting China will overtake the US economy. 2016 also signifies no more unfair imposition of tariffs on Chinese goods. The fear of China will become more hysterical as we approach 2016, because China will then have the same easy rules to impose tariffs that was not allowed before.

    The US, just like the Colorado killings incident and all similar incidents in the past and in the future, cannot solve the problem, if it is blind to wanting to create an environment of mutual a win-win situation. Instead it reacts and the latest on its fear of China will provoke it to react more and more, like:

    The encirclement of China. Hillary Clinton has recently made a tour of 6 Asian countries that have a strange pattern, and political analysts simply took a pen or pencil to join all these countries together. China is the country that is encircled by these 6 Asian countries, and the US is not shy about its purpose of wanting to contain Chinese economic, political and military encirclement. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/ju...pers-j18.shtml.
    The International Space Station project was a joint project by 5 countries, the US, Canada, EU, Russia and Japan. China applied to join earlier but was vetoed by the US. This rejection has actually helped China to pursue its own nuclear and space program, and it has done remarkably well and is the only country that boasts its nuclear and space program as 100% Chinese. In comparison, both the US's and Russia's space and nuclear programs were not American or Russian but from captured German scientist and rockets scientists after WWII.
    Now that China has its own space program which is totally unique and entirely different from the US's the US has now suddenly shown interest in cooperating with China, triggered by two events: the Chinese new space program and China's ability to disable all American satellites that are the brains behind their ability to rain down anything from the sky.
    See www.urbandebate.org/resources/argkit/2011/US China Cooperation Aff.pdf.
    Again, US lawmakers are so scared of China that the only way they can stay in power and get re-elected is t play up the China phobia.

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    There is some problem accessing the website urbandebate......by clicking on the last post.

    Suggest you key in on your own the following site urbandebate.org/resources/argkit/2011/US China Cooperation Aff.pdf.

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