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    Default off topic but oh well...

    That's why I have been saying time and time again-No country could possibly compete with China in terms of how much they invest in their sport(or at least how much they spend in CBA). I don't think even the whole European Badminton community combined could possibly afford what's China is paying at the moment(I am not event counting the money they spend on talent scouts).

    CBA always manage to fund their players to compete oversea when necessary(juniors and seniors) and they have a team of comprising of chefs, caretakers(doing all the cores), medical teams, sport therapists, lots of coaches(you can clearly seen the overwhelming no of coaches accompanied the players compared to other nations) and videos engineers. Sure the Chinese players are very good but they are sort of expected to perform considered they have the best facility in the world(albeit having lower paid than others as they have everything else covered by the government). What I don't understand is, why do others keep wanting to compare what the Chinese players have achieved to the players from other nation(especially LCW)? Like what pjswift said, what LCW was able to achieve was considered to be remarkable considered BAM is not offering as much as CBA.

    Sure, everyone here knows that LD is the greatest here, but you don't have to blow LD's achievements out of proportion(like saying he can determine the match outcome based on his motivation? Give me a break,that man is a human) and belittle LCW at the same time to show how great LD is, alright? Could the non-LCW fans at least give LCW a bit of credit when it is due? Thank you.

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    not sure how shame lin dan and china squad will be when they know how their fans(only some of them,not u suetyan and also not u tommy_bun^^)
    like to show off,belittle opponent,talk nonsense.

    they are damaging china squad reputation by having fun themself(in malaysia term,that call syok sendiri,drifit should know the meaning.haha)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lcleing View Post
    That's why I have been saying time and time again-No country could possibly compete with China in terms of how much they invest in their sport(or at least how much they spend in CBA). I don't think even the whole European Badminton community combined could possibly afford what's China is paying at the moment(I am not event counting the money they spend on talent scouts).

    CBA always manage to fund their players to compete oversea when necessary(juniors and seniors) and they have a team of comprising of chefs, caretakers(doing all the cores), medical teams, sport therapists, lots of coaches(you can clearly seen the overwhelming no of coaches accompanied the players compared to other nations) and videos engineers. Sure the Chinese players are very good but they are sort of expected to perform considered they have the best facility in the world(albeit having lower paid than others as they have everything else covered by the government). What I don't understand is, why do others keep wanting to compare what the Chinese players have achieved to the players from other nation(especially LCW)? Like what pjswift said, what LCW was able to achieve was considered to be remarkable considered BAM is not offering as much as CBA.

    Sure, everyone here knows that LD is the greatest here, but you don't have to blow LD's achievements out of proportion(like saying he can determine the match outcome based on his motivation? Give me a break,that man is a human) and belittle LCW at the same time to show how great LD is, alright? Could the non-LCW fans at least give LCW a bit of credit when it is due? Thank you.
    Not bellitle LCW because we all talk based on their previous matches performances, LD certainly did a tremendous job there.

    But, when LCW managed to win some of the matches, they said like LD was being 'generous'.......this is belittle LCW..and not giving LCW credits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonmarc View Post
    Not bellitle LCW because we all talk based on their previous matches performances, LD certainly did a tremendous job there.

    But, when LCW managed to win some of the matches, they said like LD was being 'generous'.......this is belittle LCW..and not giving LCW credits.
    Not only this is belittling Lee Chong Wei, but also every other player in the world if we say that Lin Dan is just being generous. And, this is in a way also insulting the China national team, and Lin Dan himself. Why do I say Lin Dan himself? Because it would be poor sportsmanship shown to purposely lose a match out of generousity only. And if he loses to another country, that would be called no team spirit too if he is that so called godlike person. We all know Lin Dan is human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    It's just that ctjcad keeps referring to "history", instead of "trend".

    Now we can see ctjcad keeps referring to "history" again, when discussing with pjswift the "mental" aspects of LCW.
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    lol, Yup. Can be called trend but ctjcad one is "historical trends". I'm refering to "current trends", like current market trends for a product or the graph at the share market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    I don't think you appreciate how great LCW is. LCW is the reason LD has to get a special coach all to himself and to continue to slog.
    The way I look at it is this: No champion ever wins on his own. The coach and more importantly, the comprehensive support he gets in terms of match preparations is a huge factor.
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    What I am saying is LD has many advantages over LCW in terms of support. So much that I would not even expect LCW to even defeat LD even thrice. The fact that LCW has and is always a threat to LD indicates that LCW is superior to LD in some ways. In that sense, LCW is greater than LD.
    In spite of what you often claim about LCW's mental frailty, that's often being mistaken. LCW has consistently shown he's able to bounce back from utter defeat. He can lose early in one tournament and bounce back a week later to win a title. Plenty of examples. For example, he struggled in SO10 and won the IO10, defeating, as one reporter cleverly put it, 'INA 's past, present and future MS' plus GER and JPN's No 1 MS in one week. That's no small feat, playing five consecutive matches, at the high level, over five days.
    - Is LCW the only player who's beaten LD 3x??..if not, then what's the big deal..
    - LD has to get a special coach as in Tang Xianhu just to counter LCW?..If i recall, Tang Xianhu joined CHN team in the late 90s/early 2000. No, he wasn't hired just to coach LD (as he coached Xia Xuanze before). Further, he's been coaching LD way before LCW made his mark and achievements. Nothing to do with LCW. Also, i believe Tang Xianhu is there to guide LD not only when he faces LCW, but also the other top MS players (e.g. Gade, Taufik).
    - Yes, not much doubt abt CHN having better support system for LD (besides the coaching & training system they also have the players/sparring partners). And it doesn't only apply for the MS but for all the events.
    - Sure, LCW has bounced back after poor outings before. But we're focusing on his matches vs. LD when it mattered most, those are the ones which reflect LCW's & LD's frame of mind. The only possible time, if i recall, where LCW had a success over LD in a major tourney was probably their match in the 2008 Thomas Cup KO Rd tie & the 2007 Sudirman Cup group play (even then CHN still won).

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    its not a big deal whether lcw beat ld 3x or more

    its a big deal when ld fans starts using the words generous...

    and one should know why such comment should not be in bc

    yes, tang xianhu has been coaching lin dan for a long time with breaks in between

    one of our bc members from china did mentioned txf went back to fujian to coach his son prior to tc10

    while others said he is old and can take only 1 student

    lin dan must be the lucky one or there is something behind

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    I hope to see LCW on the top podium. And not 2nd.

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    It also depends on LD's motivation...
    He wasn't really motivated at Ae and So, he was at TCup...
    We know what happened then...

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    thom, when you said lin dan's motivation...

    what actually do you mean by that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom_bad View Post
    It also depends on LD's motivation...
    He wasn't really motivated at Ae and So, he was at TCup...
    We know what happened then...
    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    thom, when you said lin dan's motivation...

    what actually do you mean by that?
    I think he meant to say Lin Dan is unstoppable when LD is motivated.

    Looks like the post I posted in #137 doesn't really do anything. I think I should give up trying to reason with LD's fans. Maybe, it's better we just sitback and let them post whatever they want. This way, we can at least save ourselves a bit of time.

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    ..LD's success has more to do with him and his preparation than the presence of TXH coaching him..

    ..another scenario:
    Should LD fail to win the WC this yr with Tang Xinhu present & coaching him, then what comment would all the MAS Boleh crowd in here make?..

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    the thing has a lot to do with lin dan success in winning

    unless one can't see what's happening during the game

    its just like a remote control car

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    Arrow LCW would find it very difficult to defeat LD and TXH combined

    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..LD's success has more to do with him and his preparation than the presence of TXH coaching him..

    ..another scenario:
    Should LD fail to win the WC this yr with Tang Xinhu present & coaching him, then what comment would all the MAS Boleh crowd in here make?..
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    In my book, TXH has a lot to do with LD's performance against LCW (especially at the 2008 Olympic Games).

    When you have met and talked to TXH, you will understand how great his teaching/coaching is.

    LCW would find it very difficult to defeat LD and TXH combined.
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    Haiya... people still think LD will be unbeatable as long as he is motivated.

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    when anyone mentioned lin dan is/was motivated

    i like to know what makes them think lin dan is/was motivated

    and how the hell they know how lin dan is/was motivated

    what are the sign, what are the source of this motivation?

    p/s i certainly don't expect anything from cooler (think he will be back soon)

    certainly not 'when the stars are all lined up....'

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    In my book, TXH has a lot to do with LD's performance against LCW (especially at the 2008 Olympic Games).
    You can also say the same Sidek has a lot to do with LCW's failures against LD or anyone else. Everytimes when LCW was down and look back to Sidek for advices etc he always has that blank look on his face as to say 'dont look at me, what do I know' expression.

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