what is the affect of china player absence from IO and SGO to the wc?

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  1. limsy

    limsy Regular Member

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    lindan will lost 5040 points
    chen jin will lost 12840 points
    bao chun lai will lost 9200 points

    no affection on chen long as he didnt play in IO 09 and SGO 09

    which mean player like peter gade,taufik hidayat,nguyen tien minh,boonsak ponsana will have chance to break into top 4 after SGO

    ws
    wang yi han will lost 10080 points
    wang lin will lost 14220 points
    jiang yna jiao will lost 6420 points
    lu lan will lost 8640 points(if she doesnt go to SGO 2010)

    no affect on wang xin and wang shi xian
    saina might get her career high if she do well in this 2 tournament
    bae sh might break into top 4 if she won both tournament:eek:
    will eriko hirose break into top 4?

    md
    guo/xu will lost 8640 points
    cai/fu will lost 7800 points

    no effect on chai/zhang

    cai/fu will drop out of top 8
    is the time for chen/lin,clark/robertson,hashimoto/hirate,alvent/ hendra gunawan to climb to personal best

    wd
    cheng shu/zhao yun lei will lost 12840 points
    pan/tian will lost 8640 points

    ma/wang and du/yu will not get affected

    which mean wong/chin will back into top 3
    and one of the japanese wd will break into top 4

    xd
    he/yu and tao/zhang will not get affected

    patnership of zheng bo/ma jin was ended,they will lost 18400 points

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    what u guys think?
     
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    I don't think this makes any difference to WC (except the obvioud seeding & draw changes). The players are the same, just lower ranked. Whether or not it makes them less match fit, I doubt - The top players all have good experience & match sharpness should not be unduly affected, I am sure they will have adequate sparring at their training:rolleyes:

    It does of course as you point out give none CHN players to reach personal high rankings.....
     
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    arent that is tougher?
    like cai/fu might meet one of the top 4 as early as 1/32 or 1/16?:confused:
    it is kinda disadvantage
    right?
     
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    Surely if they meet them earlier they play "easier" opponents in later rounds though?

    Kinda advantage right?
     
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    Wang Xin and WSX will lost a lot of points since they are winner of MAS Open and Philippine open also there is no Thai Open this year.
    Remember that there is quota ofr each country to play WC...
     
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    wow
    this is a lot
    i will do my calculation again:)
     
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    lindan will lost 5040 points
    chen jin will lost 12840 points
    bao chun lai will lost 9200 points
    chen long will lost 12950 points

    which mean player like peter gade,taufik hidayat,nguyen tien minh,boonsak ponsana will have chance to break into top 4 after SGO

    ws
    wang yi han will lost 10080 points
    wang lin will lost 14220 points
    jiang yan jiao will lost 11320 points
    lu lan will lost 8640 points(if she doesnt go to SGO 2010)
    wang xin will lost 12950 points
    wang shi xian will lost 11900 points

    saina might get her career high if she do well in this 2 tournament
    bae sh might break into top 4 if she won both tournament:eek:
    will eriko hirose break into top 4?

    md
    guo/xu will lost 8640 points
    cai/fu will lost 7800 points

    no effect on chai/zhang

    cai/fu will drop out of top 8
    is the time for chen/lin,clark/robertson,hashimoto/hirate,alvent/ hendra gunawan to climb to personal best

    wd
    cheng shu/zhao yun lei will lost 12840 points
    pan/tian will lost 8640 points
    ma/wang will lost 7000 points

    du/yu will not get affected

    which mean wong/chin will back into top 3
    and one of the japanese wd will break into top 4

    xd
    he/yu and tao/zhang will not get affected

    patnership of zheng bo/ma jin was ended,they will lost 18400 points

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    base on this ranking chaos
    who will lyb choose for ws?
     
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    but can cai/fu last into final if they meet tough opponent every round?:confused:
     
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    Only one game per day I am sure hey are fi enough for that, and as I say if they beat all the tough opponents then they should get an "easy" opponent in the final.

    I just think to win a tournament you have to be the best for that week, I know people perform differently on different days, but overall the best players win.

    A good draw for a weaker player can get them good results (eg QF, even SF), but to win you have to beat the best.
     
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    Assuming Fu/Cai are seeded 8, there is a possibility that they will meet Kido/Setiawan (seeded 3) in QF and Jung/Lee (seeded 2) in SF and Koo/Tan (seeded 1) in the finals.

    Wouldn't it be easier if they are seeded 4 where they only meet the top 4 twice?

    Thing gets worse if they are seeded 9-16.

    We all know great champions have to beat the best players in order to win but reaching the finals with lesser effort is usually (not always) an advantage. Don't you think so?
     
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    ..the way i see it, CHN squad's goals for this yr are the T&UC and the Asian Games..
     
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    Besides defending points, the 11th and 12th best results need to be considered as well.
     
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    To me, I think it can be a dangerous idea

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    To me, LYB is too confident. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Why make his players face stronger players in earlier rounds at the WC? :confused::confused::confused:

    To me, it can be a dangerous idea.
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    sound like i am newbie:D
     
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    what i see i

    what i see is:

    they skipped singapore and indonesia open because of the china super league :eek:

    they have to and its probably tough for them for the 1st year ;)

    2nd year may see some changes if/when bwf interrupts :D

    on performance wise for wc,

    playing in the china super league mostly thursday, saturday and sunday, could be affecting their training :D

    and a good sight seeing and get together on other days travelling i suppose :D

    i maybe wrong they may be better in coming wc :confused:

    on the long run, badminton for sure for china pro and the up and coming will be money motivated ;)

    that is, they are getting €$€$ i suppose? :confused:

    overall if it works :D

    is good for china badminton :cool:

    on the point lost while missing in action china players have tougher draw for sure :p

    ideally, meeting tough opponent in the early stage is not a good idea but if you win you face less tougher opponent as you progress, ;)

    thats good if you win first :D

    but considering more games played because of the super league they may have a good pick up in wc ;)
     
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    because your computation was incorrect!:rolleyes:
     
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    CHina players are participating in China Badminton League before WC, different from previous years. So add that to the fatigue factor
     
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    is it?
    u can try to show us where i did wrong
    example please?
    thanks:D
     
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    i also like to see what went wrong with limsy's calculations

    have gone through his post twice...
     
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    As I mentioned in another thread, the ranking as at 29-04-2010 (the last Thursday of April) which is the 17th week of 2010 will be used for the eligibility to WC.

    MS - LD, CJ, BCL & CL are at 2, 3, 8 & 10 positions respectively. CL is out as only maximum of 4 players in top 4 can be entered.
    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ranking/category.aspx?id=1435&category=472

    WS - WYH, WX, WL, WSX & JYJ occupy the top 5. According to the Final List of Qualifiers, JYJ is not included.
    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ranking/category.aspx?id=1435&category=473

    MD - GZD/XC, FHF/CY & ZN/CB are at 5, 8 & 15th. FHF/CY will be seeded 8th.
    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ranking/category.aspx?id=1435&category=474

    WD - MJ/WXL, DJ/YY & ZYL/CS are the top 3.
    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ranking/category.aspx?id=1435&category=475

    XD - HHB/YY, ZB/MJ & TJM/ZYW are 4, 5 & 9. HHB/YY will be seeded 4. With ZB no longer in the CHN squad, TJM/ZYW will be seeded 8th I believe.
    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ranking/category.aspx?id=1435&category=476

    From the rankings, only MD & XD are slightly affected.
     
    #20 robin7, Jun 23, 2010
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