My serve has been deemed illegal by my new club.

***jamesd20*** · 07-07-2010, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Smithy88

How can you not pause before you do a forward swing then? Its one fluid motion forwards, what counts as a pause in this case. I suppose if you stand there for 10 seconds not serving then fine but what would be a delay in this case?

Are we going round in Circles? Reread the thred and posts have indicated what is a "discernable pause"

Originally Posted by Cheung

Easy answer. If your backswing has a circular path and then goes forward, it will not pause....

I pick up a few clues that the club is actually not a very high standard club.

c) OP is in UK.

Oi! a bit harsh!

Regarding backswing pause. It is true it isn't pausing, but there is a point at which its velocity (movement in a particular direction) is zero

Originally Posted by Smithy88

What i mean is if you just place the racket between you and the shuttle then hit what is an illegal pause. That is different to placing the racket, moving back and then moving forward.

The rhythm of th forward & backward motion must be linear IMO..if the back swing is fast then stops then moves forward then it is illegal. The faster you move back the quicker you must move forward.

I agree it is ambiguous when written down, but (as stated in previous posts by several members) it is easy to tell a pause in real life...

**Mark A** · 07-07-2010, 03:46 PM

I think the "no-pause" rule must be there to stop the server getting a cheap receiver fault; a couple of the lads I play with occasionally use an exaggerated "hold" to get the receiver to, quite literally, fall off balance. I suppose it's to the service judge's discretion as to what constitutes an "excessive" hold (but to be honest the premitted height of the strike seems to vary widely across the judges, so why not this?

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**GameGod** · 07-08-2010, 01:31 PM

A video would be needed to make an accurate response.
However, if your serve is one continuous motion then it is legal. Nonetheless, you cannot be trusted to judge this yourself on your own, and it is really at your club's discretion. But, if you have played in a serious competition with a genuine umpire dedicated to your court itself (instead of just a standing umpire) and they declared that your serve was fine, then it is safe to assume that it is OK.

**taneepak** · 07-09-2010, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by blundey

The complaint: My motion is not 100% fluid and its been deemed im making two movement on flick serves.

My observation: Im drawing back, going forward with the same momentum and at point of impact im using my finger grip to generate the flick. This finger snap/grip is what I believe they are complaining about, and im not sure if its because they get tricked out by it and get angry or because it genuinely is a fault.

Any ideas?

If others see your flick as "making two movement on the flick" then they may have something there. You cannot be your own judge ; that is why they have umpires.
If you are so sure that you are right and the others wrong, how about posting a video of your flick serve showing a complete game together with the incident in which you are called for a flick fault.? A video of your flick that is not related to the time your flick serve is called a fault is not good enough for us to judge.

***Cheung*** · 07-10-2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Smithy88

What i mean is if you just place the racket between you and the shuttle then hit what is an illegal pause. That is different to placing the racket, moving back and then moving forward.

Then you should change to placing the racquet first, the positioning the shuttle to reduce ambiguity

***Cheung*** · 07-10-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by jamesd20

Regarding backswing pause. It is true it isn't pausing, but there is a point at which its velocity (movement in a particular direction) is zero

The rhythm of th forward & backward motion must be linear IMO..if the back swing is fast then stops then moves forward then it is illegal.

But the rule does not state the movement must be in the vertical linear plane. Hence a slightly circular movement on the change from backswing to forwrd swing will enforce the legality of the serve...

**limsy** · 07-10-2010, 09:38 PM

well
this serve sound like how lai pei jing serve
but she face no problem in world junior championship and malaysia open

here is the example
http://watchbadminton.com/video-Yao-...ysia-open-2010
minutes 1.28

and here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o-alN9nfCc
minutes 1.55

this is not clear,from behind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a8zN2vjbo8
7th second

is this what u mean?

**Thom_bad** · 07-12-2010, 08:38 AM

On the second and third videos the serve is good i think..

**limsy** · 07-12-2010, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Thom_bad

On the second and third videos the serve is good i think..

some player get confused by her serve before
but service judge never call fault on her
so i think this is not the 'double motion'
right?

**Thom_bad** · 07-12-2010, 08:53 AM

The motion isn't that 100% fluid but in this case one can't complain because it doesn't influence on the game

**gamepurpose** · 01-19-2011, 03:01 AM

one question about service. I see some people like to move their body back and lift their right arm and left arm at the same time then hit the bird.

which mean they letting you see their arms not really moving but their back lean back I suppose.

Is that illegal?

To me it is because it is extra movement that disturb other.

**krysser** · 01-19-2011, 04:03 AM

Hmm if I understand right then it is actually much like Carsten Mogensen's serve, and that is perfectly legal allthough it tends to be abit high (above the waist)

/Krysser