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Thread: Was Chen Jin cheating?
08-30-2010, 09:51 AM #154
maybe in your group of players they are all friendly type
and you may know your trade in designing and giving expertise advise on feathers
but you don't know what happen is a court of war
when one player tries to outwit, outplay, outsmart their opponent
for a couple of canned drinks they will do anything to win including manipulating the shuttle.
so for your question i suggest you pm to those who understood what i posted
08-30-2010, 09:52 AM #155
08-30-2010, 09:53 AM #156
08-30-2010, 09:54 AM #157
08-30-2010, 09:57 AM #158
08-30-2010, 10:01 AM #159
1. A good point. To catch a thief you need to be equally as sharp as a....... Besides, half the top players are his country men. Who else are capable to realize it save a few. I wonder what Gade thinks after he saw that complaint by TH. He looks perplexed on tv.... no? or is it just me again?
2. Since you asked s nicely. I know it is easy to crush the 'rings' around the feather base to make it faster. That's very easy to do unnoticed. Brushing the feathers to spread them i heard makes it slower.
I'm not an expert. PBm should be better to confirm that
08-30-2010, 10:03 AM #160
I'm quite surprised that some of us don't know that breaking the feathers can slow the spped of the shuttle......
In France it's very common to do that, and if the both players are okay ,we do it even during official matches !!
08-30-2010, 10:03 AM #161
the first thing i check was this guy kming (he should be famous by now)
is a guy who likes to bad mouth, bla bla all those things? no, i don't think so.
i have a have a certain trust on certain posters including you
this is only a good baddy forum
not a court of law and there are no judges around
likewise if this guy kming needs to submit the proof of what he said
so do you when you ask me these questions.
08-30-2010, 10:08 AM #162
08-30-2010, 10:08 AM #163
I like the CIA thingy. x-files opened. haha. Time to get csi to do post mortem.
A good incentive for shuttle makers to create untamperedable shuttles. lol.
08-30-2010, 10:10 AM #164
08-30-2010, 10:12 AM #165
08-30-2010, 10:14 AM #166
08-30-2010, 10:29 AM #167
for question 1: you think that Taufik is better than other non-Chinese players, so only he can detect the manipulation. And some Chinese players may also know about this, but because they are from the same country, so they can't say anything about it during any matches with ChenJin.
for question2: Let's first do this. For a shuttle, if the shape, weight and distribution of weight of the shuttle are not changed, anything about flying of the shuttle will not change. If you agree with this, please read on.
You think crushing the shuttle head a little bit can speed up the shuttle, without being noticed. The weight of the shuttle head won't be changed, if you only crush it, but don;t tear anything off from it. Moreover, if the manipulation must not being noticed by naked eyes, the shape of the shuttle head can not be changed. Now the only thing you can do is to press the shuttle head really hard to change the distribution of the weight of the shuttle head. However, by doing this, you will leave marks on the shuttle head, which can be noticed by naked eyes. Therefore, you can not crush the shuttle head a little bit such that (1) the shuttle flies faster (2) naked eyes can not tell.
You also said that brushing the feather to spread evenly can slow down the shuttle. If this is to be done and the shuttle still looks the same as a new one, it will not affect the shuttle, since the weight, shape and distribution of weight of the shuttle are the same.
Please do reply, if you found any other more advanced techniques of manipulating shuttle without being noticed. Thanks.
Last edited by logatech; 08-30-2010 at 10:37 AM.
08-30-2010, 10:33 AM #168
08-30-2010, 10:37 AM #169
Its time for a new technology to check on the shuttle flight speed and condition. Proactive shuttle monitoring technology. And proactive player cheating technology or cheeky monitoring technology.
Any geeks out there writing open source programs yet? Extend it to nagios please. Am sure the technology will be available soon. And of course, player weight monitoring technology. lol.
08-30-2010, 10:38 AM #170
Maybe it is just me. It sounds more like a smearing campaign: cannot win on the court, win it somewhere else.
Regarding the evidence, I will trust the officials on the court rather than taking the word from someone self-claimed 'unbiased and neutral' bystander.
The funny thing is how could only one of the two players benefit from such tactic? They did play the same 'not-so-perfect' shuttle, didn't they? It is laughable to speculate a great legend like TH would fall to 'lowly' CJ because 'not-so-perfect' shuttles.
By the way, what is a 'perfect shuttle'?
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