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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    I replied via post 230.

    Try it out with a new tournament shuttle and satisfy yourself.

    I am not biased, just trying to learn a new trick or verify a scientific fact based on aerodynamics.

    CJ won the match fair and square, badminton is all about deception and not falling into the opponent"s trap.Even if there was abuse, BWF should be well aware of it.It is no different with serving above the waist, double action, or serving when your opponent is not ready.
    Videos will be posted eventually, but just reminder,it is one thing to crush a shuttle and another to appear to do so especially when you are playing irritable opponents, then you are just a good actor
    without actually breaking any rules. Videos will prove that CJ does it only against Taufik not for eg. against Gade (that's what I noticed and remenmered.)
    I understand that people get superstitious all the time, for example, a lot of baseball players. If even Taufik wasn't sure about whether ChenJin did anything to the shuttle, how come some fans are so certain of. As I posted earlier, if Taufik really wants to find out, he can video-tape ChenJin's games, and keep as evidences. But he did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    You are obviously new to this forum and I didn't refer to your post count when making this statement.
    This needs not to go personal. Whether I am new to this forum, or anything about me has nothing to do with this discussion. Do let me know if you want to get personal. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
    I understand that people get superstitious all the time, for example, a lot of baseball players. If even Taufik wasn't sure about whether ChenJin did anything to the shuttle, how come some fans are so certain of. As I posted earlier, if Taufik really wants to find out, he can video-tape ChenJin's games, and keep as evidences. But he did not.
    IF (and a big if) CJ did anything to the shuttle would he do it every time and to be caught as mentioned by some members here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    IF (and a big if) CJ did anything to the shuttle would he do it every time and to be caught as mentioned by some members here.
    Taufik has complained about the same issue with ChenJin a few times during various matches. Not only this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Then my respond was to prevent damage done
    what damage? Having Taufik mentioned in my post? Come on, your Taufik is not that vulnerable, is he?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Yes because the thread started asked was CJ cheated?
    Without Taufik's accusation, I am afraid nobody would start the thread in the first place. Like it or not, Taufik is in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Then you should admit that CJ modified the shuttle
    why not? CJ is as guilty as anybody else then, including Taufik.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
    Conspiracy, sweet conspiracy. Just your imaginations, no proofs. People are innocent unless proven guilty. You don't need to prove someone is "clean". He is clean. If you want to say that he is "dirty", give proofs.
    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
    This needs not to go personal. Whether I am new to this forum, or anything about me has nothing to do with this discussion. Do let me know if you want to get personal. Thanks.
    I am not getting personal with you. What I meant is that you probably were not here long enough to know past postings and arguments between different set of supporters. If I offended with my uncultured language, I am sorry.

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    Just like every single time, when CHN win a match, there's always negative comments. When others win, there's the congrats / kings / greatness...

    Guys, this is not a local gym match, but under the observation from all sort of officials. If there's obvious violations, you think they will let it go on? Whether a shuttle is modified or not, both players will play the same shuttle, so they have equal chance to win or lose a rally...

    Anyway, I do not want to waste my time to say anything any more. The funny part was, before the match, I was talking with one local player (also BFer) above the match. We were joking around that please let Taufik win, otherwise, the forum will be filled up with "cheats" "dirty", etc... See what happened...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    I am not getting personal with you. What I meant is that you probably were not here long enough to know past postings and arguments between different set of supporters. If I offended with my uncultured language, I am sorry.
    No need to apologize. I understand you. I am old enough to know things. I'm ChenJin's fan, and I would not allow anyone to damage his image without solid evidences. That is why I am obsessed with this thread. I know I could just ignore some posts, but I can't. I try to clear things up. Hopefully people get my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
    Taufik has complained about the same issue with ChenJin a few times during various matches. Not only this time.
    With all this discussion here, I doubt there will be any opportunity in the future. We may just have to rely on past videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
    No need to apologize. I understand you. I am old enough to know things. I'm ChenJin's fan, and I would not allow anyone to damage his image without solid evidences. That is why I am obsessed with this thread. I know I could just ignore some posts, but I can't. I try to clear things up. Hopefully people get my point.
    Me too. I just want to see players win fair and square and not be accused of using underhand tactics. For this instance, let us wait for more concrete evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HicHic View Post
    At 2:50 in this interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1GO-22ARNk PG also said that the shuttlecock was "going VERY VERY SLOW" during the match against CJ, BUT he made no accusations. This means in both of CJ's matches against the top players, the shuttlecock was flying suspiciously slower than normal.
    The official have the final say about the shuttle's playing condition. If they belive its "very very slow", I am sure they will change a shuttle. If they do not agree, I can only say the player "thinking too much", for whatever reason.

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    Chill down la, guys..

    nokh, it's our national day men.. don't tension.. should go out celebrate

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    Chill down la, guys..

    nokh, it's our national day men.. don't tension.. should go out celebrate
    right, georgie boy

    when opinions are miles apart

    just let them drift

    chill down, nokh

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    Quote Originally Posted by deca2000 View Post
    what damage? Having Taufik mentioned in my post? Come on, your Taufik is not that vulnerable, is he?
    Only if TH can defence himself here, then i will shut up.

    Quote Originally Posted by deca2000 View Post
    Without Taufik's accusation, I am afraid nobody would start the thread in the first place. Like it or not, Taufik is in.
    So just because he complained to the ref, now he's head is in a choping block here??? It does not sound fair to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by deca2000 View Post
    why not? CJ is as guilty as anybody else then, including Taufik.
    Then you should start a thread about TH modifying the shuttle

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    Chill down la, guys..

    nokh, it's our national day men.. don't tension.. should go out celebrate
    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    right, georgie boy

    when opinions are miles apart

    just let them drift

    chill down, nokh
    Yup, Merdeka... I am ok. I am cool

    I am going for a spin and fly the flag and be back in 2 hours. Bye.

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    OK i said enough, its up to you guys take it or not

    Like george and pBmMalaysia, NEED TO CHILL, so Im OUT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Only if TH can defence himself here, then i will shut up.

    So just because he complained to the ref, now he's head is in a choping block here??? It does not sound fair to me.

    Then you should start a thread about TH modifying the shuttle
    Man, if Taufik's head were on a chopping block in this thread, I am wondering where was Chen Jin's head now

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