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Thread: Was Chen Jin cheating?
08-29-2010, 12:48 PM #35
Chen Ji is now new Lin Dan?!
Don't talk sxxt la...
08-29-2010, 01:05 PM #36
yeah, CJ did manipulate the shuttle. It happens at all levels of play, from my amateur one to the highest. By 'tipping' the shuttle, it biases the match in favour of the retriever.
I hate it when it happens to me. (Don't think its 'illegal' though, quite often a player will insist on tipping a shuttle before the game and i'll fume, because i'm a power player, not a retriever like CJ) maybe a bit 'unethical' tho. I don't allow it if they're my shuttles tho :P shuttles cost good money!
And it does make a difference. I have a friend who keeps bringing slow shuttles back from china. (I guess they play different in a hot moist climate than the freezing conditions of England!) He rallys me to death, I lose 22-20 22-20, but then I get my Yehlex tournaments out the next time and show him some pain 21-7, 21-14.
Chen Jin was the better player on the day. -- Interestingly, I know the All-England hall in Birmingham plays slow and the Yonex shuttles are intrinsically slow. And Taufik's not won there yet....!
08-29-2010, 01:32 PM #37
A judge is here! LOL
BWF should get testimony from makkem and give taufik the gold medal lmao
08-29-2010, 02:04 PM #38
08-29-2010, 02:22 PM #39
CJ didnot need to cheating to win. He had better record against TH. He win easily again TH today.
Meanwhile TH play lots of errors since the first set. He didnot play as good as when he win against LCW.
08-29-2010, 02:46 PM #40
CJ definitively didnt tip the shuttles as it would've been way to obvious and the difference you can get is minor from any other methods. For once CJ also played a very aggressive game using more smashes than he normally does (taufik's def isnt the best). With the high amount of smash winners and the high amount of defensive bh lifts that taufik sent out... i doubt it benefited CJ only if that was the case
08-29-2010, 03:02 PM #41
BTW, Taufik's strength is the drop shot and cross court slicing. Having a slower shuttle would be to Taufik's ADVANTAGE.
Bottomline, this thread is just sour grape and worthless piece of allegation.
08-29-2010, 03:58 PM #42
The 'effect' of the smashes could also be explained by some added effort by Taufik after the break. The speed of the smashes from the radar was also pretty consitent slower from Taufik than from CJ.. I cannot really se how he could amnipulate the shuttle so his smashes retained the speed and only Taufiks got slower..
I think we may all be looking for some explanation why our favorite did not win.. Looking at the match is was pretty clear though to me that CJs tempo was beyondTaufiks and that his fitness and speed simply was not enough compared to CJ.
P.S. They way i interpreted the discussion Tauifk and the umpire had, when I watched it live, it looked like the umpire didnt find anything wrong with the shuteel and wanted to compare with a new.. He then mixed them and asked taufik to use either of them, and Taufik did not seem to know which of the two shuttles was which, after the mix of them..
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08-29-2010, 04:08 PM #43
And btw no brand/model of shuttles are "are intrinsically slow", they come in different speed based on what is neede to get the correct speed for the current conditions.
08-29-2010, 04:18 PM #44
That is what the lines at the rear of the court are there for. In Club/local games you don't have the luxury of getting a slower/faster speed, so you tip the shuttles either in or out to make them faster or slower.
And it is illegal if he did it in the game....
08-29-2010, 04:48 PM #45
08-29-2010, 04:54 PM #46
08-29-2010, 05:22 PM #47
08-29-2010, 05:55 PM #48
From the footage seems like Taufik was complaining about the diameter of the shuttles. This is not the first time,it happens everytime he plays Chen Jin. I think china players know Taufik's temper really well, Xia and Bao used this tactic years ago
and played with with his emotions to distract him.
Why would a class player use such a cheap trick in front of the world? Tipping a shuttle would be clearly visible.
I think it is all psychology, CJ makes a lot of motions appearing to manipulate Taufik in order to annoy and distract him and Taufik just fell for it, even the umpire and line judge laughed at Taufik' protests, I think everyone knows Taufik.
The irony is things have not changed after years and years of experience.
i think CJ 's victory comes in part from Xia, Xia knows how to beat Taufik and Peter Gade.
08-29-2010, 06:05 PM #49
But comparing today to Taufik's QF and SF he didn't seem to look for the lines as much, perhaps because he missed a few early on. Chen Jin is too good to play safe margins ...
I do love XXZ is in the coaching team now . Maybe he can bring the offensive CJ back ...
08-29-2010, 06:14 PM #50
mymy, what speculations are going on here? Also some comments of 'no motivation' or 'bad stamina' shown by Taufik - what's wrong with the world? The simple fact is that CJ was the better one today, Taufik tried different tactics, was playing mind games - why not? it's part of the game, and a champ will end up as the winner whatever the opponent tried, where is nothing to complain.
Just because CJ was the quicker one Taufik did not show bad stamina - there are very quick ones, somebody is slower - why not? When stamina problems appear (folks I know very well what I'm talking about! ) the speed and quickness gets down rapidly - I did not see that - just saw that CJ is a little quicker - and that made the difference - nothing to discuss. Missing motivation? Didn't you see that he tried everything possible - it simply did not work. Why should he try that and not let it go as he did when he really wasn't motivated? Of course - when you try everything and whatever you do or try - the success simply does not appear- also here I know what I'm talking about! - you get frustrated, but that does not mean there is no motivation! Don't mix up the topics - CJ was the better one - that's it. The silver medal is very well deserved based on his performance over the week.
08-29-2010, 06:21 PM #51
"Frustrated" is the key word. Taufik did show some brilliance at the net in the closing stages,
and he stopped Cj in his tracks with many drop shots. But CJ was just too fast and Taufik's chances were few and far
between so he was restricted. It is all very solid tactics,not allowing the opponent what he likes to do best.
Its amazing how Taufil can play so well agianst LCW and Park but get all tied up against CJ. I think it is exactly what
Ian Wright mentioned,Taufik just hates to play CJ and when he plays CJ all the worst comes out.
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