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08-30-2010, 03:43 AM #120
And what disapointed me was the umpire. Because Taufik complained about it in the first game but the umpire said nothing. It was only in the second game after taufik show him an old shuttle that the umpire began to keep an eye on Chen jin until he made him a comment. From that point Chen jin stopped broking whan we saw a better taufik on court.
I repeated, for me Chen jin was the stronger on court but what it would have been if he didn't do that since the begining?
Another amazing think about chen jin. i was sitted over LYB and during the WS final, chen jin came to sit beside him. Juste right after the match of the girls, LYB began to explain some thing to chen jin. It seems that he give him some advice about the game and it laste something about 10 or 15 minutes (with a break during the girl's ceremony). And Chen jin was just saying yes with his head without speaking. Sacred LYB
08-30-2010, 03:44 AM #121
not delving into this would mean one more person believing they have good reasons to
be 'ashamed to be a Chinese' or in short, anti-chinese. (besides, jug8 you have so proudly phrased such an opinion as part of a topic title, what could have been your intention if not trying to invite discussion and/or hearty agreement?
08-30-2010, 03:46 AM #122
What I observed was that CJ swipped his sweat onto the feather of the shuttlecock to make heavier like what he did against Taufik @ Macau Open 2007.
It's undeniable that CJ was a better player yesterday. With or without the manipulation of the shuttlecock, Taufik couldn't beat him.
A breakthru for CJ as this is the only major title that CJ won by his own effort.
08-30-2010, 03:48 AM #123
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08-30-2010, 03:57 AM #126
As I have said earlier, you cannot manipulate a shuttlecock to either slow or speed it up without increasing or reducing its diameter, respectively. To do this you must bend the tops of the feathers either inwards (to increase speed from a smaller diameter) or outwards (to reduce its speed becasue of a larger diameter). To do this without shuttle wobble you must bend all the feathers uniformly in both its bend-point from the feather tips and its angles either inwards or outwards. This takes time and can be seen as daylight robbery or stupidity in full view of everyone.
Umpires can examine a shuttle for any bends and they are easy to spot and also feel as the feathers have lost rigidity.
So I can confidently say with some authority that CJ did not manipulate to slow down the shuttle. BTW, I design feather shuttlecocks and diameters of both feathers and base are important design parameters besides weight and rotational speed in deciding a shuttlecock's speed.
However, that is not to say that mind games are not used during games. They often are. Examples like pretending to manipulate a shuttle to upset an opponent by making him suspicious or challenging an opponent by complaining about shuttle manipulation, etc.
08-30-2010, 04:19 AM #127
To be honest, i'm not a specialist of shuttelcock or what he did exactly and in wihch purpose.
But i confirm that Chen jin made some strange manipulation with the shuttlecock's when he turned back between points. And i saw it before Taufik complained just like i said before.
And i also confirm that from the point the umpire said something he stoppped because i was focus on him between each point.
But i also confirmed that the umpire seems very confused when he compares the shuttles. But after that he was very focused on Chen jin until he asked him to see the shuttle.
The strange thing is that Taufik played better after that. Was it onlys psycholigical ?
08-30-2010, 04:38 AM #128
TH played marginally better afterwards because he had a long break and whole thing put CJ off.
08-30-2010, 04:51 AM #129
All things being equal, CJ was the better player in the final. There is no denying about this. Period.
But based on kming's comments, where he was at courtside and witnessed CJ did something to the shuttle to his advantage. This is not good. If he really did that, it's worse than other forms of ungentleman tactics, apart from the one Brice described.
And for Taufik, I think if he were to lose, let it be fair and square. He also complained about this when they last met and since he has been losing so frequent lately to other players too, why must he picked Chen Jin?
08-30-2010, 05:16 AM #130
..My friend, Taufik already has a WC Gold medal. That is already good enough for me. Why must i be jumping for joy with another medal?..
- But are you sure he never did the same against other players? If he's done it before, then why aren't there complaints from other players about him tampering the shuttle?
- From watching his match vs. Taufik, the way he held the shuttle (with 3 fingers holding the inside of the feathers) prior to the serve isn't any different from the way he held the shuttle in his match against Ville Lang (in one of the earlier rounds). See video below, at 2:06.
- Also, i heard from the commentator, at 2:24 in video below, apparently there was a bit of a difference in the air draft/speed from one side of the court to the other. Perhaps if the complaint is all about shuttle speed, maybe it's somewhat related to the air draft.
About Chen Jin benefiting from Xia Xuanze's tutelage, i think yes to a certain point. If i recall, XXZ became one of CHN's coaching staff after 2007. And CJ had beaten Taufik in 2007 without XXZ guidance. IMO, CJ's performance is as good as his opponent's performance, which in this case, Taufik's level of play in comparison to CJ is not the same.
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08-30-2010, 06:37 AM #136
i do believe you
and i think so are most of the readers.
readers what say you all?
you were there and i can't find a reason why you would make up such a story
chen jin then probably was manipulating the shuttle's speed for his own benefit
or to disturb taufik's tempo.
as for taufik's playing turned to better after shuttle dispute,
i think a few members here has reasoned as a good gasp of air for taufik
but what about chen jin, he too had the same good gasp of air.
as for taneepak claiming the only way to slow down or speed up a shuttle is to bend the feathers one by one
inwards or outwards and no other way?
with such a reason i can only find it coming from by an amateur
maybe designing and manipulating are totally 2 different things.
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