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Thread: Was Chen Jin cheating?
08-30-2010, 07:47 AM #137
between chen jin and taufik if i were to bet on money i would bet on chen jin
even though i like taufik to win
yes, for a member like kming to be there, with a 'live' report there must be something cooking
and as for this manipulating of shuttle
it sure works and i didn't really hint all earlier.
i am sure many members are smiling as they know what i am talking about...lol
08-30-2010, 07:52 AM #138
Of course all the above have huge tell tale signs and the cheating player will be caught red-handed.
08-30-2010, 07:56 AM #139
08-30-2010, 08:27 AM #140
What i saw on the match, the ref was later (not immidiately) warned CJ about something after TH complained. As a ref, i think he agreed with TH but blaming CJ immidiately would attract more consequenses as its clearly illegal in tampering the shuttle, should CJ get points deduction? So the ref choosed to ignore the complain then warned CJ later on. I think its a wise decision.
I would not accuse CJ of doing this intentionally, IMO maybe he did it without thinking too much at that time, only CJ himself can answer it. As for TH, i also dont think that its his tactic in delaying or playing psycic game, any player playing in WC final would complaint if you see your opponent tampering with the shuttle. Plus, no TH fan would complain about it (you can check on TH thread), so please dont take this thread as if TH and TH fans are accusing CJ cheating.
No fuss about it, this things happen its part of the game. End of story.
Last edited by Yoppy; 08-30-2010 at 08:35 AM.
08-30-2010, 08:37 AM #141
But manipulating the shuttle as implied may be done at pro level and may be difficult to detect.
Watck LYBs behaviour in the 1990 AE vs Park and Kim, the shuttle became too fast because of the heat and he kept on changing the shuttle as it kept overshooting the baseline.Even LYB is unaware of the tactic of sneakingly manipulating the shuttle.
I notice that this apparent"manipulation" of the shuttle occurs only when Chen Jin plays Taufik, in other games he doesn't give much attention to the shuttle.this subject is not new, has been brought for years in BC by Taufik fans.
If international players are doing all these why hasn't an official complaint been lodged with the BWF so that officials can look out for this event. After all an event such as the World's is on TV and can be captured by camera from many angles.Surely it is a serious matter bringing disrepute to the sport. Other than the usual complaints from Ina fans and some Msian ones, have other countries faced such problems?
08-30-2010, 09:03 AM #142
The diameter across the top of the feathers increases its drag as it becomes larger. Only by bending the feathers outwards, and as a result its diameter increases, can the same shuttle slow its speed because it now becomes a higher-drag projectile.
BTW, I do provide technical advice to professional players sometimes about shuttlecocks, as some are in the same business through family contacts.
BTW, TH did say that he lost to CJ because the latter played better. I don't recall TH saying anything about CJ manipulating the shuttle.
08-30-2010, 09:11 AM #143
shuttlecock tampering seems serious enough an offense and if CJ did something like that, it's quite unbelievable that no officials ever caught him at it or could find evidence of his tampering.
and if i was there seeing CJ do something to the shuttle, i still can't be in a hurry to affirm that Yes, CJ's a lowly character for resorting to lowly measures in order to win, because after all i only saw him do what i am now describing as "a strange manipulation" to the shuttle.
and for most of us who claim to be very objective about the players, we have even less need to jump to conclusions so easily and form poor opinions about others without strong evidence. what good does it do us to be opinionated? so far, i only see people getting worked up (and i get worked up reading all the comments of these 'worked-up' people) over what are really just speculations. of course, undeniably there are the ones who by nature enjoy bad-mouthing, but we don't really want to talk to these people, do we?
Last edited by Anatolii; 08-30-2010 at 09:16 AM.
08-30-2010, 09:11 AM #144
I would be more inclined to think it's clever mind games by CJ to disrupt Taufik's rhythm. What I would do is to 'pretend' to manipulate the shuttle, then put more energy into the rally to win the point. Seeds of doubt get sown into Taufik's mind and then hopefully mistakes start flowing.
The referee having a word with CJ may only be 'stop messing around'.
Mindgames are also played by the crowd - cheering at lost points, disruption during the serve etc. - all to disrupt players concentration.
08-30-2010, 09:28 AM #145
i didn't even want to mention anything about chen jin's manipulating shuttle
it is purely speculation even though the commentator mention something like that
it was until one member who was there and confirm that to us
of course if this member is someone who like to bad mouth i won't believe a word he said
unless you can find a reason this member kming is a bad mouth, is a liar then
i will take back what i have posted earlier. fair?
i am here not to discredit chen jin or up taufik's balls
08-30-2010, 09:30 AM #146
i dont play tournaments and don't play to win at all costs, so I don't know how to manipulate the shuttle to my advantage
on the sly. But have you experienced buying tubes of shuttles which are too fast? How do you slow them down to a reasonable speed? Twisting tip of feathers as mentioned, increasing the circumference of the ring,fluffing up the feathers etc? are there more subtle ways (which can even escape cameras,spectators,I mean unbiased ones,or officials?
A person is innocent until proven guilty or is the target of complaints from a wide array of sources and when accused of sth without proof needs to have his name cleared. Years back when many had yet to join the forum, the forum was full of postings from biased members accusing Bao of manipulating feathers when he played Taufik, so it is nth new.
08-30-2010, 09:30 AM #147
A good theory no doubt.
However... At least a large part of the people posting here are 100% sure that Taufik is
1) Low enough to resort to match delay tactics
2) Easy to be fooled by other players.
for point 1) I've never seen Taufik complain when he played and lost to LCW, another tip top fit retriever. Why complain when playing CJ?
for point 2)... fool with the Master Taufik? That would be more difficult than fooling a live telecast me thinks
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08-30-2010, 09:37 AM #148
for point 2) Yes, Taufik can be fooled easily, not by me, but by any top players
08-30-2010, 09:38 AM #149
08-30-2010, 09:44 AM #150
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08-30-2010, 09:46 AM #151
08-30-2010, 09:48 AM #152
A poll would be interesting.
Not to decide anything or pass judgement...
But just to see / find out the forum members opinion on the whole matter. Just a suggestion.
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