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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - The separate threads/polls (whatever) at least would give more options and names; 24 names instead of only 12 names. It goes back to the idea of this being a subjective and broad topic and names would be popping up left and right.
    So having 24 names is less subjective?? Probably yes, but its still subjective. As I said i dont mind this thread to be split into 2, if mod can change the title and someone start another thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - Your reason of why this or that player should or should not be on the list shows how subjective this thread/poll is. You can take MK's current bad string of results and getting pummeled by FHF & CY but another person doesn't look at that but instead looks at his past results prior to his injury. Same with JJS. The one abt the MAS junior is just a......tease.
    That scenario of subjectivity will always accour regardless. We all know about it without you having to point out. It was also the case in the "best net player" thread. And it will also the case even if this thread is split into 2.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - Should you/we define what or give a few criterias to determine which players fall in the BEST SMASHER category? I think that would help in selecting the players. That way the list won't look like "Yoppy's list of World's BEST SMASHER ever lived?"..or maybe you want this thread to be like that..
    Thats exactly why i dont want to give too much of my own criteria, simply because this thing its not for me to decide. My criteria may not suit yours, dont you think so?? Everyone have their own opion about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - The one about net player is pretty simple because it only asks for MD players (not both disciplines), or at least that's what it's all about (if i recall, it was made clear in the first sentence of the 1st post in that thread).
    It does not make much different IMO
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - Personally, i probably won't put in my vote in this; could really care less.
    I dont think anybody will be disappointed about that
    Last edited by Yoppy; 09-06-2010 at 06:27 AM.

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    Therein lies the problem of such a poll. It's very difficult to choose. I'd have to say the title of such a poll would be better put as "Most effective smasher" (only a suggestion). Thus, the emphasis is on smashes that create winning situations OR wins points. Therefore, a really hard smasher who wins lots of points will be included. Also included would be the 'clever' smashers.

    Just saying best smasher would be difficult as people have their own definition of what is 'the best'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    drifit, since there is a quota for 12 players we can then have the following players on the list:

    1. Zhao Jianhua
    2. Yang Yang
    3. Li Yongbo
    4. Kim Moon So
    5. Lin Dan
    6. Taufik Hidayat
    7. Halim Harianto (thanks to ctjcad suggestion)
    8. Fu HaiFeng
    9. Tan Boon Heong
    10. Liem Swie King
    11. Haryanto Arbi
    12. Cheah Soon Kit

    How does this sound???
    1. Zhao Jianhua
    2.
    3.
    4. Kim Moon Soo
    5. Lin Dan
    6. Taufik Hidayat
    7.
    8. Fu HaiFeng
    9.
    10. Liem Swie King
    11. Haryanto Arbi
    12. Cheah Soon Kit




    So I took out a few names. Yang Yang was out. I think his court craft made the smashes look more effective. If you watch the matches, he is very patient pulling the opponent around out of position before changing pace.

    LiYongBo is not there either.

    Halim is out as is TBH. I agree they hit hard but used intelligently to make it stand out? TBH has some consistency difficulties that reduces effectiveness.

    There are a few Indonesian names that stand out in my mind -

    Rudy Gunawan
    Rexy
    Ricky
    Sigit

    Danes

    Peter Gade (the pre-knee injury version)
    Jens Eriksson's last partner (whose name I can't remember at the moment LOL) Not hard smash but used very effectively.
    Last edited by Cheung; 09-06-2010 at 07:16 AM.

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    if we are talking here about effectiveness like creating winning shots or win points,

    what about misbun sidek 'chop smash'?

    in his prime that was his main weapon and it was very effective

    and chen changjie?

    the one-smash-collapsed-shuttle guy?

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    hmm, you do go back a long way

    Misbun, yes effective. Consistent with it?

    Chen ChangJie - I cannot recall his play.

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    Jens Eriksson's last partner (whose name I can't remember at the moment LOL) Not hard smash but used very effectively.
    Martin Lundgaard ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    hmm, you do go back a long way

    Misbun, yes effective. Consistent with it?

    Chen ChangJie - I cannot recall his play.
    hahaha... misbun did beat quite a lot of top players during his time

    and almost all his winning points were from his 'chop smash'

    so i would say in his game, yes his consistent weapon!

    as for chen changjie i could not find anything from youtube

    but until today i haven't came across a smasher like him!

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    Since there are so many names being raised, it'll never ends. Good to keep people from bored. A voting system will help.
    Those who are crazy about their heros can always vote more. Exercise the fingers. lol.

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    Why isn't Sun Jun on the list of names to be considered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    So having 24 names is less subjective?? Probably yes, but its still subjective. ...

    That scenario of subjectivity will always accour regardless. We all know about it without you having to point out. It was also the case in the "best net player" thread. And it will also the case even if this thread is split into 2.

    Thats exactly why i dont want to give too much of my own criteria, simply because this thing its not for me to decide. My criteria may not suit yours, dont you think so?? Everyone have their own opion about it.
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    - I'll take a less subjective (and well defined topic and criterias) thread/poll any day, thank you very much.
    - The "best net player" thread is more specific. True, subjectivity is still there (in that "best net player" thread), but at least not as much as currently in this thread.
    - You have your own criteria(s)? Where? Have you described them in this thread? (my bad if i missed them)..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom_Bad
    Martin Lundgaard ?
    Yes! You watch him smash - he definitely doesn't hit crazy hard like some of the others but it's really steep and effective.

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    hahaha... misbun did beat quite a lot of top players during his time

    and almost all his winning points were from his 'chop smash'

    so i would say in his game, yes his consistent weapon!

    as for chen changjie i could not find anything from youtube

    but until today i haven't came across a smasher like him!
    Yes, but how many times did he lose points on the 'chop' smash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - I'll take a less subjective (and well defined topic and criterias) thread/poll any day, thank you very much.
    - The "best net player" thread is more specific. True, subjectivity is still there (in that "best net player" thread), but at least not as much as currently in this thread.
    - You have your own criteria(s)? Where? Have you described them in this thread? (my bad if i missed them)..
    Yoppy declined to give criteria given that the poll topic is very difficult to define. Therefore, I put my suggestion forward about "effectiveness" as it is effectiveness that wins points or creates the situation for winning points. i.e. the outcome.

    And I truly agree that a poll is better served by well defined criteria

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Yes! You watch him smash - he definitely doesn't hit crazy hard like some of the others but it's really steep and effective.


    Yes, but how many times did he lose points on the 'chop' smash?
    i have seen a lot of his video playing against liem swee king, morten frost .... in the past

    during his prime time, his most consistent weapon in getting points is his 'chop smash'

    that is, whenever he had the position to do it, he would get the service over or a point.

    without doing an analysis chart, i can still recall that his 'chop smash' top the list.

    unless you want to include a world title or a major title together with effectiveness of it here

    i would have no further comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - I'll take a less subjective (and well defined topic and criterias) thread/poll any day, thank you very much.
    - The "best net player" thread is more specific. True, subjectivity is still there (in that "best net player" thread), but at least not as much as currently in this thread.
    So now you can measure subjectivity?? em.....i wonder how........
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - You have your own criteria(s)? Where? Have you described them in this thread? (my bad if i missed them)..
    Yes i did say them, sorry if its not too much for your attention. But i again wonder, just a little dose of it is enough for you to accuse this thread of being "yoppy's best smasher". I really dont see any consistency here, sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Therefore, I put my suggestion forward about "effectiveness" as it is effectiveness that wins points or creates the situation for winning points. i.e. the outcome.
    Thanks for that Cheung. I mean for giving your thought on the possible criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    Since there are so many names being raised, it'll never ends. Good to keep people from bored. A voting system will help.
    Those who are crazy about their heros can always vote more. Exercise the fingers. lol.
    I second that. But how to vote more? once is enough

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