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09-13-2010, 11:48 AM #18
09-13-2010, 11:50 AM #19
Please delete my post instead of changed it still under my name. Thanks. I feel uncomfortable that my words changed to other words, but labelled me as the writer. That's not good!
09-13-2010, 11:55 AM #20
09-13-2010, 12:07 PM #21
but now the mod is kind to change for you, i do see your point in this thread.
actually one doesn't need to do a h2h count to see who is the best player!
btw, what i have read so far, i can't figure out this:
you got all the statistic of all the potential top players and it looks like lin dan is top, followed by lcw then chen jin
and now you pick chen jin as no.2 just because you think some people will rate him so?
then whats the point of your h2h count?
please make up your mind or i am still misreading your post lol
09-13-2010, 12:13 PM #22
I do not share your opinion on this... To me the randomness is not the main factor here. It is more related to styles. Each player has his own forte and weakness. LD and LCW are overall better players than CH and SDK, but that doesn't mean CH and SDK's victories are mainly due to luck. (In fact, the 5:5 H2H between CH and LD is a bit not fair to CH -- CH was very sick during the Japan Open final -- there is a video of this match).
About BCL, if you watch BCL's early games in 02-03, he had something he does not have today: Speed. The speed of young, injury-free BCL, combined with his height/reach, makes him a lethal attacker, which he has not been anymore since 2006.
To summarize, I would not use "randomness" to explain the H2H of two players over a long period like 5+ years. There has to be some deeper reason.
09-13-2010, 12:18 PM #23
09-13-2010, 01:57 PM #24
Which one are you after?..
Also, a few folks mentioned CH having almost equal H2H with LD. If CH has a better overall H2H records vs. any of the current top 10, then he might be considered as no.2. If we want to count this decade, then we have to consider CH's playing career and H2H records vs. any of today's 10 top players.
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...Quarter-Finals (post #75)..
As far as i'm concerned, complete or not, LD vs. CH's H2H record is pretty much even.
As for the mention of the Asian Games being higher than the SS, despite the event being held every 4 yrs, it is not an IBF/BWF sanctioned event (at least in the past; maybe they are changing the status now). The reason is, unlike the Olympics Games, it only allows a limited number of participants from certain regions. If they are to give a higher ranking level to the Asian Games, then how about the Commonwealth Games (which is also a quadrennial event)?
Last edited by ctjcad; 09-13-2010 at 02:12 PM.
09-13-2010, 02:13 PM #25
09-13-2010, 02:31 PM #26
Sorry to make you guys confused.
My question is simple, who's the 2nd best player now? It's a very subjective question. No reason needed. Just tell me from the bottom of your heart.
I'm not sure myself. That's the reason I did some h2h and title winning records research. I'm not talking about how to evaluate a player, not talking about overall history, not talking about Chen Hong or other retirees. I just want to know what do you think who's the 2nd best?
For myself, I would say LCW's 2nd best before the WC, but now, I am not sure. Either Chen Jin or LCW should be the 2nd best. Other players are far falling behind. I also think LD is the best, not worth to argue. If you guys disagree, please list your order for the best players. There is no rule how to calculate, just personal opinion.
Thanks for everyone's input. Please totally ignore the h2h stuff which I used to check how good they are myself.
Although bwf has the ranking, what I try to have is a personal power ranking; because I don't believe the bwf ranking and the real capabilities of the players are the same thing. Of course it's a personal ranking, therefore, everyone should come up with different list. Here is mine:
1. Lin Dan
2. Chen Jin or Lee CW
3. Bao CL, Taufik, Gade, Sony
4. Chen Long, Simon Santoso, Ponsana, Park SH
5. Shon WH, NTM, Tago, JOJ, Hafiz
09-13-2010, 02:39 PM #27
09-13-2010, 02:46 PM #28
09-13-2010, 02:51 PM #29
09-13-2010, 03:27 PM #30
09-13-2010, 07:20 PM #31
actually this h2h thing was brought up before in one of the threat
and more or less the same thing on lcw and lin dan
by the response from bc members one can tell eventually its more like a personal opinion
and the discussion going way too long and it ended up with warnings from the mod
here's the blog:
09-13-2010, 08:36 PM #32
pBM, it's thread!!!
My personal opinion, albeit biased but from the bottom of my heart, the second best player is still LCW. Talking about the WC, we should see what the draw had thrown to CJ : Ville Lang, Kestusis Navickas, Ashton Chen, Hsuan Yi Hsueh, Peter Hoeg Gade, Taufik Hidayat
The names I had highlighted in bold are the only ones who are accomplished and are known to have beaten top players. So, although he definitely battle his way from R64 to the title, he had only defeated TWO top players. In a normal SS tournament, people would think that LCW would have no problem winning this title. WC... again, big match mentality. But does that count to a player being better than another?
And I don't think we can argue that LCW, on his normal day can defeat those two players. Of course, ironically in the WC LCW lost to Taufik Hidayat. I mentioned the AG as LCW and CJ's meeting platform earlier, not about who would be stronger in that event as LCW is still not fully fit (back injury!) If LCW is fully fit by the Japan Open, then we can use that platform.
09-14-2010, 02:59 AM #33
sorry every body, my typo mistake
should be thread instead of threat
09-14-2010, 05:44 AM #34
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