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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    - I'm going with H2H record and then overall accomplishment. LD over PSH. Btw, why bring up LD and PSH?
    - I've given my power ranking list (who's no.2) in post #3 and pretty much concur with your list in post #6 (basically going with H2H record).
    Im going to start a thread titled: "Is ctjcad a LD fan????"""

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    i doubt he will agree as he claimed he is a neutralist

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    i doubt he will agree as he claimed he is a neutralist
    But we can proof it in an objective matter, if he mind about being subjective

    I just realised this is my 1000th post.......yuhuu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    Mr Choi?
    Choi Ho Jin has a 100% record againts LD does it mean he top the list? yes, no, maybe??

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    Sorry to make you guys confused.

    My question is simple, who's the 2nd best player now? It's a very subjective question. No reason needed. Just tell me from the bottom of your heart.

    I'm not sure myself. That's the reason I did some h2h and title winning records research. I'm not talking about how to evaluate a player, not talking about overall history, not talking about Chen Hong or other retirees. I just want to know what do you think who's the 2nd best?
    does BEST H2H = BEST??

    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    For myself, I would say LCW's 2nd best before the WC, but now, I am not sure. Either Chen Jin or LCW should be the 2nd best. Other players are far falling behind. I also think LD is the best, not worth to argue. If you guys disagree, please list your order for the best players. There is no rule how to calculate, just personal opinion.
    OK here's my list:
    Rudy Hartono
    Lin Dan
    Taufik Hidayat
    Liem Swie King
    Yang Yang

    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    Thanks for everyone's input. Please totally ignore the h2h stuff which I used to check how good they are myself.
    I came to that conclusion weeks ago

    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    Although bwf has the ranking, what I try to have is a personal power ranking; because I don't believe the bwf ranking and the real capabilities of the players are the same thing. Of course it's a personal ranking, therefore, everyone should come up with different list. Here is mine:

    1. Lin Dan
    2. Chen Jin or Lee CW
    3. Bao CL, Taufik, Gade, Sony
    4. Chen Long, Simon Santoso, Ponsana, Park SH
    5. Shon WH, NTM, Tago, JOJ, Hafiz
    How dare you putting PSH same place as BP????
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    Just kidding.................
    Last edited by Yoppy; 09-14-2010 at 06:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Im going to start a thread titled: "Is ctjcad a LD fan????"""
    It is already so obvious unless you wanna to officiate that title to him.

    On someone mention that the Asian game shouldn't be more prestige than the SS events for whatever reasons he may state, then why on earth his idol LD main target for now is to win the AG2010 and devil may care for the SS? How irony is that? Or could it be for the first time I share a common thoughts with LD Go figure out.

    As for his comparison on the Commonwealth Games with the Asian Games, the fact that both are held quadrennially is the only similarity and the parallelism ends there. Beside Malaysia, the rest of the badminton powerhouse such as China, Indonesia and Korea are missing. So would the competition level the same?

    He knows that for sure but why the "....." comparison? Just for the sake to argue or could it be that common sense does not prevail anymore nowadays on certain level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Choi Ho Jin has a 100% record againts LD does it mean he top the list? yes, no, maybe??
    I already pointed that out on page 2

    To answer freelast, in my list LCW is still current 2nd best. If by list of major tourneys won, Taufik would be 2nd best of current era
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 09-14-2010 at 06:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    I already pointed that out on page 2

    To answer freelast, in my list LCW is still current 2nd best. If by list of major tourneys won, Taufik would be 2nd best of current era
    yup you did, and he did not answer did he? so i asked again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspire View Post
    It is already so obvious unless you wanna to officiate that title to him.
    Im afraid he would not accept my offer , it would be great if he's OK cos its nothing to be ashamed of,................or is it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Im afraid he would not accept my offer , it would be great if he's OK cos its nothing to be ashamed of,................or is it??
    I think its better to officiate it because lately we have the unofficial W#1 and unofficial W#2 which is why we are here in the first place. Lots of unofficials.

    So why not to have an official .......... At least its official!

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    I checked the h2h for the top 10 (actually more than top 10). Even for top 10: (listed below)

    LCW lost to LD, tied with Sony and Chen Long, won others.
    CJ lost to LD and LCW, BCL, won others.

    If we count winning record as 2 points, tie as 1 point, lossing as 0 points, maximum point is 18
    LD = 18 points; won 9 against everyone
    LCW = 14 points; won 6 tied 2 lost 1
    CJ = 12 points; won 6 lost 3
    BCL = 12 points; lost to LD, LCW, PG, won others
    Taufik = 9 points lost to LD, LCW, CJ, BCL, tied with Chen Long, won PG, Simon, Sony, Nguyen
    Sony = 8 points; lost to LD, CJ, BCL, TH, tie with SS, LCW, won PG, Chen Long, NTM
    P Gade = 7 points; lost to LD, TH, LCW, CJ, Sony, tied with Chen Long, won BCL, SS, NTM
    Chen Long = 5 points; lost to LD, CJ, BCL, Sony, tied with LCW, PG, TH, SS, NTM
    Simon = 4 points; lost to LD, LCW, CJ, BCL, PG, TH, tied with Sony, Chen Long; won NTM
    NTM = 1 points; only tied with Chen Long 0:0

    1 MAS[MAS] Chong Wei LEE5015281866.857813
    2 DEN[DEN] Peter Hoeg GADE692670175.11414
    3 CHN[CHN] Jin CHEN5159266502.200410
    4 INA[INA] Taufik HIDAYAT1033762791.713
    5 CHN[CHN] Dan LIN5090660033.9758
    6 INA[INA] Simon SANTOSO5159956790.519113
    7 CHN[CHN] Chunlai Bao512745469411
    8 VIE[VIE] Tien Minh NGUYEN1410754624.79414
    9CHN[CHN] Long CHEN7578753223.149513
    10INA[INA] Sony DWI KUNCORO5042752572.477712
    great job
    that shows that Nguyen isn't that good against top10 players but he even isn't the last one on WR.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thom_bad View Post
    great job
    that shows that Nguyen isn't that good against top10 players but he even isn't the last one on WR.........
    NTM is a very hardworking player... and a fighter... it is enough for him to beat those lower than top 10, but then still he has a bad record against every player in the top 10... but I reckon he can beat Chen Long or BP(used to be top 10)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Choi Ho Jin has a 100% record againts LD does it mean he top the list? yes, no, maybe??
    I just checked the official site, CHJ vs LD is 0:0. Where did you come up with 100%? Did you count some unoffical matches? We cannot count all the matches as I mentioned before LD could have lost to Xie Xin Fang many times at home. You cannot count that.


    ho jin CHOI Member ID:70797Country:[KOR] KORRanking:220 (5270) Dan LIN

    Member ID:50906Country:[CHN] CHNRanking:5 (60033.975)

    Record 0 - 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    I just checked the official site, CHJ vs LD is 0:0. Where did you come up with 100%? Did you count some unoffical matches? We cannot count all the matches as I mentioned before LD could have lost to Xie Xin Fang many times at home. You cannot count that.


    ho jin CHOI Member ID:70797Country:[KOR] KORRanking:220 (5270) Dan LIN

    Member ID:50906Country:[CHN] CHNRanking:5 (60033.975)

    Record 0 - 0
    Yes, it was an official game at the East Asian Games last year, not not-BWF sanctioned. Choi Ho Jin defeated Lin Dan to claim the gold medal in the individual event in straight games, with a score of 21-18; 21-19. But Lin Dan was definitely no where near his best, he was battling fatigue and tiredness and was basically dragged to a rubber game almost every match he played. It was a wonder that he still made the final. Since then, a rematch is almost impossible because Choi Ho Jin can never escape the qualifying rounds!

    Anyway, you want to find out about SECOND best, so let's talk less about Lin Dan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    I just checked the official site, CHJ vs LD is 0:0. Where did you come up with 100%? Did you count some unoffical matches? We cannot count all the matches as I mentioned before LD could have lost to Xie Xin Fang many times at home. You cannot count that.

    Hahaha, where have you been? I thought all BC members know about this.
    CHJ beat LD during East Asian Games in Dec 2009 :
    http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...ABE&d=20091213

    Of course East Asia Games is not BWF sanctioned, neither is SEA (South East Asia) Games or Asian Games

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelast View Post
    I just checked the official site, CHJ vs LD is 0:0. Where did you come up with 100%? Did you count some unoffical matches? We cannot count all the matches as I mentioned before LD could have lost to Xie Xin Fang many times at home. You cannot count that.


    ho jin CHOI Member ID:70797Country:[KOR] KORRanking:220 (5270) Dan LIN

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    Thats the fact. Now you know not everything is on TS

    I still suspect that TH must have played more againts the top players during 2002 - 2003, but as you can see on TS there is very little/no record about TH againts those player during those yrs

    So whats the answer does Mr. Choi top the list?? Perhaps the answer will be the same if you look at MD, WS, WD and XD

    BTW, does anyone know if Roger Federer has 100% H2H record againt top tennis players???
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    that's what i meant. Don't count the records even not counted by BWF. Those matches are either private, or limited locally, if counted, would be unfair to all the players. Let's just count the fair, open matches. I read LD even lost to some China local club players in local competitions. Aslo as some experts here mentioned, those players even do not have 2nd chance to play LD anymore, thus the statistics doesn't make any sense because it's not repeatable. Let's stick to the BWF offical records, then the world becomes much cleaner and easier.

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