09-16-2010, 09:15 PM #103
I got confused why and what people here arguing about.
exactly as Yoppy pointed out, I started this thread with the extremly bias opinion to ask for you guys biased opinion back for the list of the best player in your mind. You don't have to agree with my list, or agree with my method/reasoning, just post your list of your ranking. Attacking other people's method doesn't make much sense, if you disagree, just simply give your power ranking for the current active players.
by the way, the title for this thread when I started was "who's the 2nd best active MS players now after WC?" unfortunately, the title was changed by mod not me, which made my posts sound unrelevant. Sorry for that.
Last edited by freelast; 09-16-2010 at 09:18 PM.
09-16-2010, 09:20 PM #104
- For me, to determine who's no.1 or who's no.2 from the current top MS players, i can certainly rely on the H2H records alone.
- Yes, i thought the title of the thread has shifted from your original query.
- If indeed your intention now is to have a subjective & biased opinion, with no specific time range and no basis for the list, then you will get names like Rudy Hartono thrown in the list...i hope that's not what you're really after, is it??..
Last edited by ctjcad; 09-16-2010 at 09:33 PM.
09-16-2010, 09:26 PM #105
1. LD is world's current BEST player, and wanting to find out who's no.2?
2. Use H2H record to RANK each of top 10 players based solely on their H2H record
For me no.2 is fine, but not no.1
I asked this because:
1. You can not use H2H record to say for eg. LCW is world 2nd best player
2. H2H record is a record, it does/may not reflect the current condition. Eg. LCW maybe better than LD today, just because LCW has a bad record againt LD in the past does not mean he wont be winning againts LD today
3. H2H can be more accurate and justify if player played each other the same time. We all know thats not the case, so H2H how can we confidently say that looking at H2H record only is sufficient??
Last edited by Yoppy; 09-16-2010 at 09:36 PM.
09-16-2010, 09:38 PM #106
09-16-2010, 09:42 PM #107
IMO your innitial post can offensive enough for many. For example, how you assume that LD is the wolrd's best player. There are tons of criteria out there that can knock out LD easily as the best. Dont get me wrong LD is my fav player, i admit it. And im also not here to attack you personally (as you never attack me personally). But the bottom line is, the whole thread can be misintrepeted that we can look at only at the H2H record and say "Thats it, its him the no.1 , no.2 and so on"
09-16-2010, 09:43 PM #108
..the way i see it:
We can use H2H record to RANK each of top 10 players based solely on their H2H record and at the same time figure out who's the world's current BEST player and who's no.2?..(killing 2 birds with one stone)..
09-16-2010, 09:45 PM #109
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09-16-2010, 09:55 PM #113
09-16-2010, 09:56 PM #114
Please read my post carefully, in fact, I was wondering whether LCW still the 2nd best player. I thought Chen Jin might be the 2nd best player while LCW dropped to the 3rd.
The other wrong conclusion you draw about me is the usage of H2H. I said according to H2H, LCW might still be the 2nd, but based on the big time winner like Chen Jin (the current WC champion, current Olympic medalist, All england title holder...) he might overtake LCW in some people's subjectve personal power ranking.
09-16-2010, 09:58 PM #115
09-16-2010, 10:01 PM #116...because that's the list someone got from his god, not human being's thinking. That's not supposed to be biased because it's his god's words. What I am looking for is a biased human being's real thinking.exactly as Yoppy pointed out, I started this thread with the extremly bias opinion to ask for you guys biased opinion back for the list of the best player in your mind. You don't have to agree with my list, or agree with my method/reasoning, just post your list of your ranking. Attacking other people's method doesn't make much sense, if you disagree, just simply give your power ranking for the current active players.
Any international association or federation evolves a rankings system after very careful consideration of many criteria that a player is eventually judged by on a continuous basis. Now, I don't know about all the criteria, and the point weightages applied to different criteria, but a lot of statistical analysis would be performed, and the formulae wll be devised only after accepting the recommendations from a board or committee of capable, experienced and very knowledgeable people who take a lot of time to evolve their recommendations in consensus.
Let me repeat: from a board or committee of capable, experienced and very knowledgeable people who take a lot of time to evolve their recommendations in consensus.
What you are suggesting is not just pure anarchy, but an invitation to Grade 5 pissing contest. No merit, no justice; no objectivity.
09-16-2010, 10:01 PM #117
Secondly i did not draw the conclusion like you mentioned, if you read my post carefully then you know what i mean. Or you can also ask ctjcad, he knows what i mean (although he does not agree)
09-16-2010, 10:04 PM #118
Do not use the H2H statistics to our rank players; it can be misleading
09-16-2010, 10:05 PM #119
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