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    you hear what you want to hear.

    i watched the toudou video and i see one finger going up, and hear "one time in a tournament"

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    Its funny how China people can be so sensitive, generations ago perhaps but today?

    Personally its very difficult to meet international players who are racists, they simply won't last very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    Its funny how China people can be so sensitive, generations ago perhaps but today?

    Personally its very difficult to meet international players who are racists, they simply won't last very long.
    Please post constructive comments. It is not an issue of sensitivity. My understanding of what Peter said is based on solid evidence. You may not agree with me on this, but please don't post unrelated stuff that is based the assumption that you are absolutely right. Also please use Chinese people instead of China people. Thanks.

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    Sorry I didn't hear anything even remotely close to ''Chinaman'' from Peter Gade's mouth(from that video). I wonder how could you even reach a conclusion that he is being racist here. Apparently he was saying ''one time in a tournament'' which would make more sense if he said ''first time in a tournament''. But knowing that Peter Gade isn't a English native speaker and he bursted that comment out in frustration(not thinking clearly), I can understand how he messed up the ''one'' and ''first''.

    I think rather than being sensitive on this ''non-issue''. The citizens of the repulic of China could probably discuss more about Lin Dan doing those unnecessary break dance stunts in Malaysia during this year Thomas Cup in the froum. That will bring more meaning to the forum I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
    Please post constructive comments. It is not an issue of sensitivity. My understanding of what Peter said is based on solid evidence. You may not agree with me on this, but please don't post unrelated stuff that is based the assumption that you are absolutely right. Also please use Chinese people instead of China people. Thanks.
    "Solid evidence"?!? Did you even watch the second video: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/u168P2O55xM/ I will let Bbn comment on the use of china vs chinese people

    "This clip is from the second set of the final of the 2010 swiss open. Peter lost a long rally, got pissed off, slammed his racket to the ground, and got a yellow card. THEN he walked toward the net and asked to change the shuttle, but apparently his opponent ( ChenLong from China) refused. Peter got pissed off again, and said " Well, Chinaman is Chinaman"

    Please show us where Chen Long refuses a change of shuttle And why he is returing to his position from the service judge if not to pick up a new one ...
    Maybe with logatech headphones/speakers the second sounds like chinaman but certainly not the first part, that's just ludicrous.
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    Strange one this.

    Decades ago I had to put up with a lot of racial taunts from losers everywhere in Europe but that was when China was weak.

    I would have thought that no sensible person would want to antagonise Chinese people today as China is ranked on par with say US,

    Japan or Europe. The latter people because of their success have to put up with a lot of jealousy ,resentment etc etc.just as Chinese people have to

    do today,it comes with success.

    However such taunts can be expected from the lunatic fringe and losers everywhere, it is difficult to see how Gade falls into this category.

    i dont understand the implied difference between China and Chinese, as far as I am concerned, one is only Chinese if one is a China national.

    Certainly no one in the forum can ever accuse me of being anti-Chinese in what ever form,that would be like cursing my ancestors.

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    @ 11-12 sec. "turneringe" @41-42 sec "holdturnering" (which incidentaly happen to mean tournaments and teamtournament respectively) Now compare that to his pronounciation of tournament .
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    "So I guess I will post this issue here and want to see what you guys think.
    What did Peter say in this video clip? And what you think about it?
    Courteous discussions are welcome, but no personal attack or political stuff please. "

    I think I like to be kept out of this because 1) I am not a China National 2) I dont live in the west currently and dont understand the climate.

    I think people ought to be given benefit of the doubt, just as when CJ was accused of cheating, Ld being arrogant etc.

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    what kwun said is true

    you hear what you want to hear.

    but for peter to say something like chinaman is chinaman?

    to me somebody must be joking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
    .......... Also please use Chinese people instead of China people. Thanks.
    If one uses "Chinese people" that would imply all ethnic Chinese of different nationalities. China people means well.... the citizens of China. I'm Chinese but not from China - if someone says "Chinese people" then it would imply me too.

    On the statement issue, like the others I also heard "one time in the tournament", after playing it the 1st, 2nd, 3rd time,4th time...... Doesnt come close to "Chinaman is Chinaman."

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    Lets move on. Peter is a good guy. Am sure he will apologize if he said those bad words.

    What goes around comes around.

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    It's definitely tournament. It's nothing like china-man. And "one time in ..." is very clear at the beginning.

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    Yes we should move one. The reply from the danish federation sums it all up really, they have chinese coaches working for the federation even ...

    Wonder why it took 7 months to surface ... ?

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    7 months to surface? lol

    if you didn't mention I won't have realized ...

    anyway the title of the thread is horrible for a player like Peter,

    let's move on guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    "Solid evidence"?!? Did you even watch the second video: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/u168P2O55xM/ I will let Bbn comment on the use of china vs chinese people

    "This clip is from the second set of the final of the 2010 swiss open. Peter lost a long rally, got pissed off, slammed his racket to the ground, and got a yellow card. THEN he walked toward the net and asked to change the shuttle, but apparently his opponent ( ChenLong from China) refused. Peter got pissed off again, and said " Well, Chinaman is Chinaman"

    Please show us where Chen Long refuses a change of shuttle And why he is returing to his position from the service judge if not to pick up a new one ...
    Maybe with logatech headphones/speakers the second sounds like chinaman but certainly not the first part, that's just ludicrous.
    haha, just like what I imagined. I will sum up as the following:

    1. My Id is logatech, not logitech, for a reason. (some school that I went to)

    2. I understand that people probably think that "Peter is a nice guy, and it is not possible for him to say that" without carefully listening to the clip a few times. I urge your to put on your favorite headphone, get the maximum volume, and listen to this video clip of 7 seconds a few times and more carefully.

    3. The last word that peter said definitely starts with "ch" and is followed by "i" (as in "like"), nowhere close to "tournament". So it's impossible that Peter was saying "one time in a tournament"

    4. The only exception to case 3 is that Peter pronounced "T" as "ch", as someone has already pointed out. Peter speaks English very well, and this is not possible based the followings:



    starting from 0:15, Peter said
    ....that made a natural TIME for me to make a decision whether it should be badminton or football.....that's what I like at that TIME....I've been missing the TEAM part......"

    Peter pronounced "Time" twice, loud and clear, not "chime" etc. Please compare this to what Peter's pronunciation of "time" in the video clip of "one time in a tournament".



    Starting from 02:06, Peter said that ...I also played very good, and suddenly one player came out of nowhere, 吉新鹏, had not won a TOURNAMENT, I think, ever,....."

    Starting from 03:20,...because I think when you look back at these TOURNAMENTS, I deserved to get maybe at least a silver medal....."

    Peter pronounced "Tournament" and "Tournament" loud and clearly, not churnament, chinament etc.. Please compare this to what Peter's pronunciation of "Tournament" in the video clip of "one time in a tournament".

    Therefore, it is impossible that Peter was saying that "one time in a tournament".

    5. the only exception to case 4 is that Peter pronounce "t" as "ch", and pronounce "tournament" as "chinament" during a match. This is not possible in my opinions. I have nothing to say if you think that this is the case.

    6. If your opinion is that, after carefully listening to the clip and checking what I said above, I think that Peter said "one time in a tournament". I have nothing more to say. We have known each other's opinions. Move on.

    7. Yes, I have watched the clip of longer version. My understanding about change of the shuttle is that, ChenLong did not agree, but the chaired umpire agreed, so the shuttle is changed afterwards.

    8. Again, no personal attacking, unrelated story or political stuff. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logatech View Post
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    6. If your opinion is that, after carefully listening to the clip and checking what I said above, I think that Peter said "one time in a tournament". I have nothing more to say. We have known each other's opinions. Move on.
    ...
    ..it's not as clear as the ones Gade mentioned in the other videos, but i think that's the opinion of all the other posters, as well, in this thread. And no, i don't think the posters are Gade's sympathizers either. Really, i don't see anymore reason to discuss or debate on this matter.

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    Creating a thread with that kind of statement is very irresponsible. And adding 2 question marks at the end does not change that to a question.You could have choose to word it differently. Maybe "What did Peter Gade say at 1:12 in this video?"
    With internet...it is good and it is bad...AND whatever you put out there it stays forever. All it take is for a few individuals and this thing goes viral. kwun could closed, locked, edit or delete this thread but by now this could have copy & paste elsewhere. AND before you know, Peter Gade will be link with racist remarks. AND possibly reputations will be damaged. All those years of playing and having a reputation build on a foundation being a true sportsman...
    With all that, it would at least give you pause to maybe review again the video with a few friends and MAYBE change that thread's title.
    AND in my opinion what Peter Gade says is " one time in the tournament " I think he was referring to the yellow card he got. Did he ever get a yellow card before? After that particular rally, breathing a bit hard, words can sound differently. If he is referring to the yellow card he could have choose to say "first" instead of "one" but English not being his 1st language and after that frustrating loss of that rally based on a line call....english grammar is not the first thing in his mind.

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