Bam - please fire misbun and rashid sidek

**undeadshot** · 01-04-2011, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by benjamin59

just take a look at sepak takraw mas just kept on going downhill or stuck at a point while thailand and vietnam have taken over - heck even china is climbing up. is badminton in mas following the same route? I think bam should look at the squash team and now our football team and see why they shine.

I think for football, it is still to early to say.

But talking about badminton, there is no doubt that it is going all the way downhill. We can only hope that the revival won't take 10 to 20 years or even more! I recently just learnt that Thailand used to be quite a strong badminton nation in the ... 70s? (correct if I am wrong) but it took them almost 30 years before they started making a huge impact.

**chris-ccc** · 01-04-2011, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by benjamin59

just take a look at sepak takraw mas just kept on going downhill or stuck at a point while thailand and vietnam have taken over - heck even china is climbing up. is badminton in mas following the same route? I think bam should look at the squash team and now our football team and see why they shine.

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Why players shine?

IMHO, players shine because their coaches/associations make sure that they enjoy their sports (in training and at tournaments).

As soon as players feel that their effort (to perform well) is not appreciated by their fans/coaches/associations, they will find themselves having extra obstacles standing in their way to shine.
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**Bbn** · 01-04-2011, 09:56 PM

Just to remind you of an example :

Wang Yi Han performed badly and was left out of the Uber Cup.

LYB threatened to drop her if she did not WIN the 2010 Danish and French Open.

Can you say Wang Yi Han enjoyed the pressure?

I think it all boils down to culture and the mental strength aspect.I dont blame Malaysians,

we are probably like many Westerners unable to cope with the cruelty and harsh treatment

that counterparts in East Asia have to endure.Maybe the Performance Evaluator did not make enough

adjustments to suit the local culture and mentality and just went by the book.Here we forgive and forget easily

and that may be the root of peace and harmony(although it has its drawbacks).Nevertheless the golden rule

is less emphasis on rules akin to "one size fits all" and to make adjustments for locality, unless it is a matter of

life and death.

**chris-ccc** · 01-04-2011, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bbn

Just to remind you of an example :

Wang Yi Han performed badly and was left out of the Uber Cup.

LYB threatened to drop her if she did not WIN the 2010 Danish and French Open.

Can you say Wang Yi Han enjoyed the pressure?

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The selection of players to form a team is easier to make. I too would not select Wang Yihan if there are other teammates in better form than her.

However, the selection of coaches is harder to make. For example, I wouldn't drop LYB after he failed to win the Uber Cup.
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**Bbn** · 01-04-2011, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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The selection of players to form a team is easier to make. I too would not select Wang Yihan if there are other teammates in better form than her.

However, the selection of coaches is harder to make. For example, I wouldn't drop LYB after he failed to win the Uber Cup.
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Wang was left out of the Uber Cup. After that she was given the ultimatum to win the two SS even though she was still no.1

or be dropped from the China team, not just the Uber Cup. And she delivered.

The key element is the stress and pressure she was able to endure as an individual.

**pBmMalaysia** · 01-04-2011, 11:36 PM

that kind of stress and pressure? lol

try replace them with swallowing stones for every one of them everyday.

in a year if the in's and out's leaves a balance of more stones in your tummy

than you can take, that's called a breaking point

this is exactly what happened to dear misbun

stress and pressure stays with us no matter what

and the best we can do is to reduce them before the new ones come

wang's example is only one stone in this case whereas misbun's is a long time.

i am not trying to say bam is in the wrong nor can i say for misbun.

simply because we do not know the reasons and causes in the first place

why i am fruatrated and feeling sorry is that,

knowing misbun personally i just can't accept this is happening

again simply because i want badminton in malaysia to florish like yesteryears

many of us may have the same vision accept a few trolls

but we may have different thinking towards it

**Bbn** · 01-05-2011, 12:02 AM

That is the kind of pressure many people are subject to in the private sector.

Especially in very competitive societies.Many people drop out to become their own bosses, the underlying principle

is that the world does not owe you a living, comply or ship out. Even in local politics nowadays people are not retained when they leave.

Like I said it may not work in the Malaysian context .

In many societies they go by the book, there is no compromise if one is caught running the red-light,

inconsiderate parking,jay-walking, littering, etc. etc.

Even the government is trying to implement KPIs.

Sometimes people who make the rules have to stand by them in order to set a good example. It is up to you to decide

whether or not it is right or even used in the right context.

**Bbn** · 01-05-2011, 12:07 AM

"again simply because i want badminton in malaysia to florish like yesteryears"

Badminton is not doing too well now with LCW and KKK/TBH.

It is just that (as many people notice) too many resources and attention has been focussed on the stars

leaving a team with no depth for team events.This is specially relevant now in our economic conditions with cut-backs.

The difference with the past in terms of success is that we have lost the edge in team events,

which is only a small part of the honours.There is ample progress in the ladies and mixed doubles and the mixed team event.

I think many people tend to judge success too much on the Thomas Cup,especially ex-Thomas Cuppers.

Maybe expectations need to be reviewed.

In this era Msia is king of the Super Series, not team events, even China cannot dominate both.

**taneepak** · 01-05-2011, 12:29 AM

To be at the very top in badminton it has to be survival of the fittest. Malaysia's 'Ti Da Pak' attitude has been a Malaysian culture since early years and is the root cause of falling at the last hurdle.
It is about time that coaches are being evaluated for their performance every 3 months against an set objective or objectives. For example if Misbun is given charge of say 5 elite singles players then he must perform and show some improved performance of all his charges, not just one. He cannot live under the shield of just one good performing player. If he is instrumental in producing excellence from LCW he should be able to do the same for the others. Coaches must produce results and to do this they must be evaluated periodically on their performance. If they cannot or will not accept this then they obviously cannot take pressure. Then it is best to let them go.

**pBmMalaysia** · 01-05-2011, 12:32 AM

winning team event mainly shows that your country is strong overall

would not this be the best way to measure your success in badminton?

hey, we have very good singles and doubles players (notice the 's')

or you prefer,

we only have lcw, kkk and tbh

**undeadshot** · 01-05-2011, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Bbn

Wang was left out of the Uber Cup. After that she was given the ultimatum to win the two SS even though she was still no.1

or be dropped from the China team, not just the Uber Cup. And she delivered.

The key element is the stress and pressure she was able to endure as an individual.

Wang Yihan was there as the first singles, and lost to Bae Seung Hee in China's eventual 1-3 shock defeat to South Korea. She was left out of the Asian Games squad.

**taneepak** · 01-05-2011, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by undeadshot

Wang Yihan was there as the first singles, and lost to Bae Seung Hee in China's eventual 1-3 shock defeat to South Korea. She was left out of the Asian Games squad.

This is the Chinese way, perform or get kicked out. Alas, not so in Malaysia.

**jimbo** · 01-05-2011, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by taneepak

This is the Chinese way, perform or get kicked out. Alas, not so in Malaysia.

If BAM get rid of those non-performers (Habis Hashim, TCS, Darren Liew, etc...), I think we need to field YOU in Thomas Cup against China MS2 (Chen Jin or Chen Long)... BOLEH?

**pBmMalaysia** · 01-05-2011, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by taneepak

To be at the very top in badminton it has to be survival of the fittest. Malaysia's 'Ti Da Pak' attitude has been a Malaysian culture since early years and is the root cause of falling at the last hurdle.
It is about time that coaches are being evaluated for their performance every 3 months against an set objective or objectives. For example if Misbun is given charge of say 5 elite singles players then he must perform and show some improved performance of all his charges, not just one. He cannot live under the shield of just one good performing player. If he is instrumental in producing excellence from LCW he should be able to do the same for the others. Coaches must produce results and to do this they must be evaluated periodically on their performance. If they cannot or will not accept this then they obviously cannot take pressure. Then it is best to let them go.

just 3 months for evaluations?

even if i give you some extra months,

a little arithmatics will tell you in no time malaysia will runs out of coaches and players

your plan only works for a factory such as automobile

and there are differences between humans and automobile

**taneepak** · 01-05-2011, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by jimbo

If BAM get rid of those non-performers (Habis Hashim, TCS, Darren Liew, etc...), I think we need to field YOU in Thomas Cup against China MS2 (Chen Jin or Chen Long)... BOLEH?

That shows up another Malaysian weakness-lack of depth and breadth. With so few to choose from no wonder they can 'Tareh Harga'. It also has too much inbreeding, which will lead to its extinction.

**taneepak** · 01-05-2011, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

just 3 months for evaluations?

even if i give you some extra months,

a little arithmatics will tell you in no time malaysia will runs out of coaches and players

your plan only works for a factory such as automobile

and there are differences between humans and automobile

Teams that are not performing as well as expected should be subject to more frequent evaluation for speedier corrective action.
The criteria should be improvement and not necessarily winning, because any improvement over time will culminate in significant improvement. The failure in the form of declining performance, not mentioning winning any titles, of the backup elite players is a damming indictment against the coaches.

**taneepak** · 01-05-2011, 01:52 AM

The most insecure job and also the shortest career life in the sporting world is the English Premier League. No wonder it also breeds the best in soccer. Just imagine Misbun being in charge of Liverpool! He won't survive 3 months.
Pressure, what pressure, because pressure is the adrenaline that drives success. How can one be a good coach without pressure?