Lin Dan - the one who has won it all

[volcom]

..minor correction: there hasn't been a TC held in M'sia for a long time until this yr. And definitely, M'sia hasn't held a Sudirman Cup tourney ever..

Yah I meant the Thomas cup asia preliminary's in 2004 where it was held in Kuala Lumpur .
Sorry about the confusion

[volcom]

I'm surprised Chen Hong also has a pretty good record against LCW
5-5.
China miss a player like Chen Hong dearly in the absences of LD. CJ and BCL are just not at the same level CH was....

Even Chen yu was 3-3
I always believed CY was a much better player than his little achievements showed...
I take a quote for long ago comparing CJ with CY.... from Jamesd20

Firstly Chen Yu Vs Chen Jin. I am not sure whether Chen Jin's and Chen Yu rise is due to the lowering level of the remaining field and the new CHN players after XXZ/Chen Hong retirements, but they are both quality players in their own right. Technique wise and speed wise they are very similar, but Chen Yu has a definite edge in stroke play. Chen Jin is a hard worker, but is often chasing the game as he Strokes are not as penetrative as other players. Once Chen Yu had weathered the storm in the first game Chen Jin was easier meet. If chen Jin is to become as good as his predecessors, then he needs to devleopment some more skill at the net, and some more flair into his play.

[shooting stroke]

Unless there're any new young ones coming up the ranks in the next 2 yrs, which doesn't look likely.

Even if there are, it would not have the same titanic aura of "battle of the megastars" similarly like Datuk LCW and LD. For the past several years, in every tournaments as far as this two megastars in badminton has participate are concern, everybody would like a to witness the battle between Datuk LCW and LD, be it at the QF or SF or Final and regardless who wins it because they are the "cream of the crop" of the current era of badminton similarly like anticipating Roger Federer vs Nadal in Tennis or Usain Bolt vs Tyson Gay in 100m sprint...............we will miss this two stars after 2012.

[Isometric_kid]

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You are correct. Their current head-to-head record is;

Lin Dan (14): Lee Chong Wei (7)
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more specific

major title head to head

lin dan (100%) : lee chong wei (zippo)

[pjswift]

more specific

major title head to head

lin dan (100%) : lee chong wei (zippo)

Well, it so happened that OG08 and AG10 were both held in China. So LD's lucky to win and he knows that.
In OG04 and AG06, the venues were in neutral territory so LD did not have a crowd big enough to boost him up at the right time. LD was unlucky there.

[Isometric_kid]

Well, it so happened that OG08 and AG10 were both held in China. So LD's lucky to win and he knows that.
In OG04 and AG06, the venues were in neutral territory so LD did not have a crowd big enough to boost him up at the right time. LD was unlucky there.

hahaha, how conveniently you left out 2010 thomas cup held in boleh land in front of thousands screaming bolehians??? Such knowledgeable fan but yet left out the obvious case on purpose, of course.

back in 2004 OG, that was lin dan's first biggie tournament, stage fright is normal. Your hero Taufik failed in his first OG attempt too. On his 2nd OG at 2004, taufik was lucky, he didn't face any chinese players but have to face an one eyed shon in the final.

in 2006 AG, lin dan had beaten and won over taufik twice in during the AG, Lin dan got bored of beating up taufik for the 3rd time, he kept the same tactic which taufik exploited. I say Taufik was lucky again because lin dan didn't plan or care to change his tactic. Lin dan woke up too late.*yawn* If a rubber occur, taufik is a goner.

Too bad you can't change this but try to go around it but still failed.

major title head to head

lin dan (100%) : lee chong wei (zippo)

[pjswift]

hahaha, how conveniently you left out 2010 thomas cup held in boleh land in front of thousands screaming bolehians??? Such knowledgeable fan but yet left out the obvious case on purpose, of course.

back in 2004 OG, that was lin dan's first biggie tournament, stage fright is normal. Your hero Taufik failed in his first OG attempt too. On his 2nd OG at 2004, taufik was lucky, he didn't face any chinese players but have to face an one eyed shon in the final.

in 2006 AG, lin dan had beaten and won over taufik twice in during the AG, Lin dan got bored of beating up taufik for the 3rd time, he kept the same tactic which taufik exploited. I say Taufik was lucky again because lin dan didn't plan or care to change his tactic. Lin dan woke up too late.*yawn* If a rubber occur, taufik is a goner.

Too bad you can't change this but try to go around it but still failed.

major title head to head

lin dan (100%) : lee chong wei (zippo)

Exactly. I'm glad you understand luck is involved in winning majors. The stars and planets gotta be aligned...maybe this time LD did not have to play Taufik so that's lucky he was not stressed...

What I don't understand is why people use Head to Head like some hallowed magic number.
HtH is supposed to indicate advantage or probability historically. Unless LD meets LCW at least 7 more times and LCW wins all, the HtH will remain in LD's favour.

However if you go into the details and look at win/lose trend, both now take turns to win so the HtH is unreliable for betting. So if do HtH for 2008, then 2009, then 2010, you'll see a more meaningful trend that is useful.

But I'm glad LD won the AG. Would be more terrible for him if he didn't.

[tommy_bun]

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You are correct. Their current head-to-head record is;

Lin Dan (14): Lee Chong Wei (7)
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I thought Lin Dan had more... at least 15 or 16?

It's 15-7
1.Msia open 2005-LCW 15-10,9-15,15-9
2.Hongkong 2005 - LD 15-4,15-6
3.All ENgland 2006 - LD 15-9,10-15,17-14
4.Msia 2006 - LCW 21-18,18-21,23-21
5.Taipeh 2006 - LD 21-18,12-21,21-11
6.Macau 2006 - LD 21-18,18-21,21-18
7.hongkong 2006 - LD 21-19,8-21,21-16
8.Sudirman Cup 2007 - LCW 21-17,21-17
9.China Master 2007 _ LD 15-21,21-14,21-15
10.JApan 2007 - LCW 21-19,21-15
11.Hongkong 2007 - LD 9-21,21-15,21-15
12.Swiss 2008 - LD 21-13,21-18
13.thomas cup 2008 - LCW 21-12,21-14
14.Olympic GAmes 2008 - LD 21-12,21-8
15.China SS 2008 - LD 21-18,21-9
16.All England 2009 - LD 21-19,21-12
17.Swiss 2009 - LCW 21-16,21-16
18.Sudirman Cup 2009 - LD 21-16,21-16
19.China MAster 2009 - LD 22-20,15-21,21-7
20.Thomas Cup 2010 - LD 21-17,21-8
21.JApan 2010 - LCW 22-20,16-21,21-17
22.Asian GAmes - LD 21-13,15-21,21-10

[chris-ccc]

It's 15-7
1.Msia open 2005-LCW 15-10,9-15,15-9
2.Hongkong 2005 - LD 15-4,15-6
3.All ENgland 2006 - LD 15-9,10-15,17-14
4.Msia 2006 - LCW 21-18,18-21,23-21
5.Taipeh 2006 - LD 21-18,12-21,21-11
6.Macau 2006 - LD 21-18,18-21,21-18
7.hongkong 2006 - LD 21-19,8-21,21-16
8.Sudirman Cup 2007 - LCW 21-17,21-17
9.China Master 2007 _ LD 15-21,21-14,21-15
10.JApan 2007 - LCW 21-19,21-15
11.Hongkong 2007 - LD 9-21,21-15,21-15
12.Swiss 2008 - LD 21-13,21-18
13.thomas cup 2008 - LCW 21-12,21-14
14.Olympic GAmes 2008 - LD 21-12,21-8
15.China SS 2008 - LD 21-18,21-9
16.All England 2009 - LD 21-19,21-12
17.Swiss 2009 - LCW 21-16,21-16
18.Sudirman Cup 2009 - LD 21-16,21-16
19.China MAster 2009 - LD 22-20,15-21,21-7
20.Thomas Cup 2010 - LD 21-17,21-8
21.Japan 2010 - LCW 22-20,16-21,21-17
22.Asian GAmes - LD 21-13,15-21,21-10

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It's quite amazing that you BCers have your own record of all the matches. So it's LD (15) : LCW (7).

It's also amazing that 11 of them are 3-games matches.
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[Wong8Egg]

Well, it so happened that OG08 and AG10 were both held in China. So LD's lucky to win and he knows that.
In OG04 and AG06, the venues were in neutral territory so LD did not have a crowd big enough to boost him up at the right time. LD was unlucky there.

LD is arguably the best player in history and you know that. No matter how you read/analyze statistically or technically. LD > LCW.

I admire your effort in discounting LD at every possible occasion. But you don't have much ground left, LD has taken it ALL.

[Bbn]

Which reminds me of what a politician in Msia advised against certain groups :

No matter what people say, just remember that 'one plus one is always two' and you wont fall into the trap.

Go back to post no.1

[pralinescream]

LD is arguably the best player in history and you know that. No matter how you read/analyze statistically or technically. LD > LCW.

I admire your effort in discounting LD at every possible occasion. But you don't have much ground left, LD has taken it ALL.

but datuk is very fortunate to have lived in the same era as super dan. imagine not many ppl wld have chance to play with, let alone challenge de greatest badminton player in history.
and boleh-ites fans can always give de excuse dat datuk cld achieve so much more if he was playing in different era.

[visor]

but datuk is very fortunate to have lived in the same era as super dan. imagine not many ppl wld have chance to play with, let alone challenge de greatest badminton player in history.
and boleh-ites fans can always give de excuse dat datuk cld achieve so much more if he was playing in different era.

heh, it may be fortunate for us spectators to watch these epic battles between LD and LCW, but somehow i don't think datuk feels the same

[ctjcad]

..it's starting to be like one of those LD vs. TH or LCW or PG "who has a better h2h record" banters all over again..*sigh*

[chris-ccc]

..it's starting to be like one of those LD vs. TH or LCW or PG "who has a better h2h record" banters all over again..*sigh*

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I have just posted their rankings in another thread;

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...il-the-2012-OG

As we are getting closer to the 2012 Olympic Games, let's update regularly the BWF World Mens Singles Ranking;

Processed on 24-Nov-2010, we have this Ranking List;

1. Lee Chong Wei (MAS)........80487 points
2. Peter Gade (DEN)..............68795 points
3. Taufik Hidayat (INA)...........67592 points
4, Lin Dan (CHN)....................58634 points
5. Boonsak Ponsana (THA).......56720 points

Source: http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14955

Great to find 5 players from 5 different countries.

[Bbn]

It's 15-7
1.Msia open 2005-LCW 15-10,9-15,15-9
2.Hongkong 2005 - LD 15-4,15-6
3.All ENgland 2006 - LD 15-9,10-15,17-14
4.Msia 2006 - LCW 21-18,18-21,23-21
5.Taipeh 2006 - LD 21-18,12-21,21-11
6.Macau 2006 - LD 21-18,18-21,21-18
7.hongkong 2006 - LD 21-19,8-21,21-16
8.Sudirman Cup 2007 - LCW 21-17,21-17
9.China Master 2007 _ LD 15-21,21-14,21-15
10.JApan 2007 - LCW 21-19,21-15
11.Hongkong 2007 - LD 9-21,21-15,21-15
12.Swiss 2008 - LD 21-13,21-18
13.thomas cup 2008 - LCW 21-12,21-14
14.Olympic GAmes 2008 - LD 21-12,21-8
15.China SS 2008 - LD 21-18,21-9
16.All England 2009 - LD 21-19,21-12
17.Swiss 2009 - LCW 21-16,21-16
18.Sudirman Cup 2009 - LD 21-16,21-16
19.China MAster 2009 - LD 22-20,15-21,21-7
20.Thomas Cup 2010 - LD 21-17,21-8
21.JApan 2010 - LCW 22-20,16-21,21-17
22.Asian GAmes - LD 21-13,15-21,21-10

i dont know about others but the raw data above seem to me to confirm (at least on the surface) certain trends :

1) Prior to Olympics LD played many SS and even lost in Sudirman and Thomas Cup
2) After 2008 he concentrated on the big ones and won them losing some SS.

You could say LD and LCW were exchanging roles prior to 2008.
Maybe if LD is again chasing 2012, the first cycle may repeat itself.

Wish there were players in the form of those heroes in computer games, they never get tired or stressed out.

[badMania]

However if you go into the details and look at win/lose trend, both now take turns to win so the HtH is unreliable for betting. So if do HtH for 2008, then 2009, then 2010, you'll see a more meaningful trend that is useful.

Looking at the H2H more carefully, a breakdown of the results does not indicate "a more meaningful" trend in terms of winning percentage for LCW since their first matches in 2005. LCW NEVER WON more than 2 matches in a year over Lin Dan.

LD-LCW
2005 - 1-1 (LD winning in HKG; LCW winning in Malaysia)
2006 - 4-1 (LD winning in AE, Macau, Taipei, HKG; LCW winning in Malaysia)
2007 - 2-2 (LD winning in China Masters & HKG; LCW winning in Japan and Sudirman Cup Glasgow)
2008 - 3-1 (LD winning in Swiss, China, and Beijing Olympics; LCW winning in Thomas Cup Tokyo)
2009 - 3-1 (LD winning in AE, Sudirman Cup Guangzhou, and China Masters; LCW winning in Swiss)
2010 - 2-1 (LD winning in Thomas Cup KL & Guangzhou Asian Games; LCW winning in Japan)

It seems to me that LCW has a higher odds of winning in Japan (3 matches won there) and not so much on home-ground (only 2 won in Malaysia Open). The other 2 matches won by LCW were in Europe (Swiss & Glasgow).

Meanwhile, Lin Dan certainly OWNED LCW big time when it comes to the major events:
2006 - AE
2008 - Beijing Olympics
2009 - AE, Sudirman Cup
2010 - Thomas Cup, Guangzhou Asian Games

LCW NEVER BEAT Lin Dan in an individual major event, but did beat Lin Dan twice in team events (Sudirman Cup 2007 and Thomas Cup 2008). However, CHN still beat MAS in those team matches.