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    It was in sg news yesterday evening. The 'can' guy should be able to broadcast it. He did it a few times. He doesn't like publicity tho. I wonder why.

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    Thumbs up National Athletes Welfare Foundation (YAKEB)

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    i was saying in a more general sense nothing specific.. players will be taken care off by the government. not being left to fend for themselves when their badminton careers are over..
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    In Malaysia, it's the National Athletes Welfare Foundation (YAKEB). But it's for all sports, not just for Badminton.

    Lee Chong Wei has donated RM300,000 to YAKEB in the past two years, to ensure the welfare of former athletes.

    Source: http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/sto...191&sec=sports
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    In case it is forgotten players like Wong CH and Soo Beng Kiang and even Ang Li Peng were given scholarships by private sponsors to go to U,

    they have succeeded and gone on to pursue careers away form badminton.They could not have done so if they had not firstly

    earned their O levels at around age 16-17.Those who did not continue studying did something else, like opening their own coaching schools,from the money they earned as players.At least there is no compulsory national service like in Singapore.

    Some because of lack of education went bankrupt and had to return to BAM. The BAM is ever ready to accept ex-players into the coaching set-up

    regardless.

    It is one thing to be able to make a living after playing days, one has also to consider the high cost of living in say KL. People nowadays know how to plan their careers and future.

    China has really fulfilled the aspirations of many pros by forming this Super League, it is even more attractive than SS.

    Players nowadays seem to behave like pop stars ,knowing that they have a short career and need to make their pile first so that they can accumulate some capital and not just become a wage earner.

    It is easy to deduce why players are so "materialistic". LCW by the way has been denied permission to play in the League.
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    I agree with Bbn's opinion on the Chinese club league, a very important move and I hope it could be internationalized. But if LCW was refused, it was because of its Yonex sponsor if I remember. Yonex refused to let him play with different sponsors.
    This topic is very important, specially for european countries. In China, they take the youth at 13 and train them full-day. They child then study very little. Then what happens when they reach the national team 2 or even 1 but cannot become world 1? They are sent back to their province and there is not much for them to do. YY, ZJH, XXZ, all former world n.1, they can find something, but for the second-rate players, they are more or less 'sacrificed' for the country.
    In France there is a special educational program where the youth gifted in sports follow a dual formation, half a day sport-training and half a day regular schooling. At 18, they have the same academic background then the regular students. The problem is that on the sport side, they can't compete with the youth that had professional training for already 5 years... That is why I believe Dan players are late-comers. (Well, not for PG).
    The salary for Chinese players in the provincial team is around 3000 rmb, which is not so great. But what they do at 25?

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    Sad case that some associations take money and doesn't allocate for these funds. Due to the high pay of the members, those funds got swallowed up. The rich feeding the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    I agree with Bbn's opinion on the Chinese club league, a very important move and I hope it could be internationalized. But if LCW was refused, it was because of its Yonex sponsor if I remember. Yonex refused to let him play with different sponsors.
    This topic is very important, specially for european countries. In China, they take the youth at 13 and train them full-day. They child then study very little. Then what happens when they reach the national team 2 or even 1 but cannot become world 1? They are sent back to their province and there is not much for them to do. YY, ZJH, XXZ, all former world n.1, they can find something, but for the second-rate players, they are more or less 'sacrificed' for the country.
    In France there is a special educational program where the youth gifted in sports follow a dual formation, half a day sport-training and half a day regular schooling. At 18, they have the same academic background then the regular students. The problem is that on the sport side, they can't compete with the youth that had professional training for already 5 years... That is why I believe Dan players are late-comers. (Well, not for PG).
    The salary for Chinese players in the provincial team is around 3000 rmb, which is not so great. But what they do at 25?
    Before 2007 I think the German League was already showing the way.I dunno the current status as many Europeans dont even participate actively in this forum.From the WC 2010 we can see Germans, Russians,French, East Europeans coming thru slowly but surely.
    i think the European League together with the China League could make badminton a viable professional sport, just like football, it is a question
    of working with the BWF allowing some countries to have more participation and exposure in regional tournaments.
    It is a question of professionalism vs international participation, whichever can promote and sustain the sport better should prevail.
    Few organisations in this world can continue to live on government support and welfare, just look at the student riots in England now,
    the end of the welfare state?One day China itself may also have to apply the same squeeze.

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    There should be analogies from other sports

    eg 1.- Table tennis- China players get together for the World team events or Olympics or World Championships, the rest of the time they divide between the china league /Eu leagues with tons of money or the Pro Tour Events (SS in badminton equivalent).
    eg.2- Football- The US team is virtually made up from players from all Leagues, without even a local player.
    Some Asian football teams keep going backwards, imagine what would happen if they allowed their players to play in foreign leagues like the J League or US league. As it is they are only interested in looking inwards and protecting the jobs of locals.

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    I agree. One thing to consider is that in sports identification to one's nation is a powerful way to attract fans' attention, and that is what we have in badminton, but it is not helpful to attract the fans locally. We need other identifications, like city. That is what we have in football, clubs represents cities and it works very well. That is what club league could do also in badminton.
    In France the number of registered badminton players has exploded since 7 or 8 years, it is now one of the most practiced sport, but the competitions' organisation is still way behind. So there is a potential for a sufficient fans' support for professional bad, but we lack the organization, something that could put pro bad in the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
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    This topic is very important, specially for european countries. In China, they take the youth at 13 and train them full-day. They child then study very little. Then what happens when they reach the national team 2 or even 1 but cannot become world 1? They are sent back to their province and there is not much for them to do. YY, ZJH, XXZ, all former world n.1, they can find something, but for the second-rate players, they are more or less 'sacrificed' for the country.
    In France there is a special educational program where the youth gifted in sports follow a dual formation, half a day sport-training and half a day regular schooling. At 18, they have the same academic background then the regular students. The problem is that on the sport side, they can't compete with the youth that had professional training for already 5 years... That is why I believe Dan players are late-comers. (Well, not for PG).
    The salary for Chinese players in the provincial team is around 3000 rmb, which is not so great. But what they do at 25?
    I thought in China they go in younger? Like 7 y.o.(Huang Sui). If they dont make it into the national team, there's still the league.
    In Indonesia, there're a few private clubs who sponsor players(like Djarum), so players can still carry on playing.

    Msia youngsters, those who are selected will go in Bukit Jalil Sports School at 13 the earliest. They study & train until 17, they sit for SPM, the O level equivalent of public exams. Then, drafted into BAM back up squad or choose to further studies. There is no private club(KLRC no longer trains it seems) or league for them to fall back to.
    If they dont make it they either :
    a) Further studies, if they can afford it or can get scholarships, provided academic results are ok
    b) Be a small time coach, teaching kids, beginners. If have enough capital, start academy like K.Yogendran(small time), CCM/CCE, LWW, WCH(bigger one).
    c) Go play in league in other countries like Germany. Yeoh Kay Bin did that I think.
    d) Go find regular job with their O level qualification, no many are good in their studies since they have to train for tournaments.

    There are study scholarships for those who wish to pursue college studies & train at the same time, something which Ng Hui Lin(now independent), Lydia Cheah, Loh Wei Sheng(2010 AJC runner up) have taken up.

    So, what LCW & co shareholders have done is good to train up budding youngsters, so that BJSS wouldnt be the only avenue.
    I did read about another similar venture that Cheah Soon Kit was involved in, but has been quiet since last couple of months, dunno what happen.
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    Having said all that,I think the German and China league is a wish come true because it will give badminton a quantum leap.

    We are always saying that the winners in badminton are enough for players to pay for their airfare,whilst the winnings in Tennis,

    Golf or Basketball can afford to buy the plane.

    If badminton money is big enough I am sure potential players will consider it worthwhile to take the plunge and go pro.

    BWF is concerned with promotion but super leagues will really create industries everywhere,two different agendas,which can co-exist,

    like other sports.

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    Exactly my mind.

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    I think it is a good thing for a private body to set up another centre to give the 'main' association a run for their money. No point pumping money back to the 'asso' since they already have govt funds.

    Since Looi BA and Indonesia is doing this. I wonder if sg will follow suit? A private body will sure get the coaches and management on their toes and get them working harder. No time for lax...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Where is the source? Need to find him to get some funding.
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    Read here :
    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...098460/1/.html

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    Thumbs up Final 10 scholarship awards to selected trainees

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    Scholarships given to young Malaysian Badminton players

    Jack Koh of Looi Badminton Academy said the scholarship would cover the 10 trainees’ expenses for training, accommodation and food during the three-year stint.

    “From the 950 participants in the championships, we will narrow them down to 60, who will then be taken for training for a further six months.

    “After that, we will narrow it down again to 30 trainees before selecting the final 10,” he said at the launch of the championships at the Datuk Sidek badminton hall here yesterday.


    Source: http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.a...607&sec=sports
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    Any BCers know if the final 10 scholarship have been awarded to the selected trainees?
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