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    I may not know Li Mao personally

    But I think this fella is good.

    Looking at him coaching at one time, lcw and wch,

    I can see what he can do to any player under him.

    He modifies their weapon and unlease their desire/hunger to win

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    There is only Taufik (who is independent player) and Firda in single department TOP 16 Indonesia Open 2011...That's horrible..

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    Has anyone spotted Li Mao at the Indonesia Open?

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    So, did anyone see Li Mao at the Indonesia Open yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    So, did anyone see Li Mao at the Indonesia Open yet?
    No,
    Only saw Marleve Mainaky

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    So where is he? Anyone got info?

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    He is in istora everyday and communicate with WTM......he came to welcoming party as well..everyday, he is together with Luan Jin, HKG's EX coach ( I forgot his name), Jpanese's WD coach ( he is from china also)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Has anyone spotted Li Mao at the Indonesia Open?
    yes..he is here>>dont worry!

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    Arrow Li Mao, who never gives interviews to the media, talked with reporters for the first

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    Li Mao, who never gives interviews to the media, talked with reporters for the first time

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...ve-li-mao.html

    Accept the reality and move on: Li Mao
    Agnes Winarti, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Fri, 07/29/2011 8:00 AM

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    Indonesia’s current low achievements in the world’s badminton leagues is normal, said the country’s head coach for badminton singles, Li Mao, as setbacks had also happened to powerhouses such as China.

    The Chinese-born coach said that the country is currently at its lowest point of performance but this is normal in any badminton powerhouse. He said the nation just has to admit the hard truth while working more seriously on the players’ techniques if it aims to strive for resurgence in the badminton world.

    Li Mao, who never gives interviews to the media, talked with reporters for the first time on Thursday, after being publicly scrutinized over the disappointing performance of the national singles squad since taking over the coaching bench in January. The 53-year-old coach spoke on the sidelines of the team’s departure ceremony for the BWF World Badminton Championships in London, from Aug. 8 to 14.

    “Indonesia needs to accept the current reality: That it’s at its lowest point at the moment, [but from there] it can climb back to the top again,” Li Mao said through an interpreter.

    “I believe this is a normal condition for any badminton country, even China,” said Li Mao citing the example of China’s lowest point of achievement at the 1994 Asian Games in Hiroshima, Japan, where the badminton juggernaut returned home with only seven bronze medals, while Indonesia at that time brought home three golds.

    Li Mao, who previously coached the South Korean and Malaysian national teams, acknowledged that Indonesia does have plenty of talented players.

    “But their techniques need to be polished, which will require time,” he said.

    Li Mao believes that technique-polishing is more important than physical drilling, citing the examples from world badminton’s Big Four in men’s singles sector: Lee Chong Wei, Lin Dan, Peter Gade and Taufik Hidayat, who currently rule the fast-paced courts, despite all of them being around 30 years of age.

    He said that, although at first the national singles shuttlers struggled to adapt to his training method, things have been better lately. “We are 90 percent on the right track. [And] there’s hope for achievements at the 2012 Olympics and afterwards,” assured Li Mao.

    Nevertheless, Li Mao preferred to be unspecific in setting out his goals for the singles shuttlers at the upcoming world championships, which will be hosted for the first time at the prestigious Wembley Arena, also the venue for next year’s Olympics. Wembley Arena was also the renowned venue for the prestigious badminton tournament, the All England, between 1957 and 1993.

    The arena witnessed numerous top shuttlers from Indonesia’s glory days. National head coach for the doubles players, Christian Hadinata, who won the All England at Wembley Arena in 1979, hopes that some of the 24 shuttlers heading to London will be able to come home as world champions instead.

    “Hopefully, some of you will repeat our past triumphs,” Christian told the national squad.

    The last time Indonesian shuttlers came home as world champions was in 2007, when men’s doubles team Markis Kido and Hendra Setiawan, and the then-mixed doubles team of Nova Widianto and Liliyana Natsir, won the gold medals.

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    Haha, i see from twitter, some of pelatnas players wrote in chinese altough little only, like hauce(delicious), chao an(good morning). Hahaha...

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    Default Li Mao admit that he is no god, Indonesia is not confident of winning gold.

    Source: http://www2.orientaldaily.com.my/rea...538Pu30ks64Eo1

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    Rough translation:

    The MS cheif coach of Indonesia was not optimistic about his charges' chances in the coming World Championhsip. However, he thinks that Indonesia has a bigger chance in the Olympics games next year.

    After leaving China in 1999, he has since set his foot on Korean and Malaysian's soils.

    However, he has taken up the responsibility of becoming the single cheif coach in the beginning of this year and shoulder the burden of restoring the Indonesia badminton powerhouse to its former glory.

    More than half a year has past, Indonesia single shuttlers are still temporarily in the transition state and there isn't any remarkable results from Donysius and Simon in the international tournaments.

    Li Mao's first big test, will be the World championship in Wembley Arena 2011, from 8/8 to 14/8.

    Prior to the world championship, Li Mao said this on the interview of the official Indonesia badminton website when he was asked about the chances of his charges in the upcoming tournament:"Our men's and women's singles are facing a lot of difficulties, the training programme has been changed and shuttlers need time to adapt to that change; if we could win a gold in the World Championship 2011, then I would have been a god (dewa)."

    However, the chances are brighter in the Olympics 2012. Li Mao's claimed that Indonesia is still a having alot of potential and does not lack potential young players. He is confident that he won't let the nation down in restoring the glory of Indonesia in badminton. "If I am not confident in performing my task, I won't even consider working here."

    He said that although Indonesia was once the pioneer of badminton techniques and tactics, the current Indonesia is lagging behind other coutries in term of techniques and training methods. "As Long as we are open and are willing to improve, we are still able to catch up with others. I know the public is very disappointed with the performance of the squad recently but it still alright as public expectation is a form of motivation fto the players. It's just that if such expectations are not address and deal properly, it will only create extra burden and pressure to the players."

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    Pardon my poor Chinese and English but at least is better than google translator(or so is my shameless claim).

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    Arrow Li Mao's first big test will be the 2011 World championship

    Quote Originally Posted by lcleing View Post
    Source: http://www2.orientaldaily.com.my/rea...538Pu30ks64Eo1

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    Rough translation:

    The MS cheif coach of Indonesia was not optimistic about his charges' chances in the coming World Championhsip. However, he thinks that Indonesia has a bigger chance in the Olympics games next year.

    After leaving China in 1999, he has since set his foot on Korean and Malaysian's soils.

    However, he has taken up the responsibility of becoming the single cheif coach in the beginning of this year and shoulder the burden of restoring the Indonesia badminton powerhouse to its former glory.

    More than half a year has past, Indonesia single shuttlers are still temporarily in the transition state and there isn't any remarkable results from Donysius and Simon in the international tournaments.

    Li Mao's first big test, will be the World championship in Wembley Arena 2011, from 8/8 to 14/8.

    Prior to the world championship, Li Mao said this on the interview of the official Indonesia badminton website when he was asked about the chances of his charges in the upcoming tournament:"Our men's and women's singles are facing a lot of difficulties, the training programme has been changed and shuttlers need time to adapt to that change; if we could win a gold in the World Championship 2011, then I would have been a god (dewa)."

    However, the chances are brighter in the Olympics 2012. Li Mao's claimed that Indonesia is still a having alot of potential and does not lack potential young players. He is confident that he won't let the nation down in restoring the glory of Indonesia in badminton. "If I am not confident in performing my task, I won't even consider working here."

    He said that although Indonesia was once the pioneer of badminton techniques and tactics, the current Indonesia is lagging behind other coutries in term of techniques and training methods. "As Long as we are open and are willing to improve, we are still able to catch up with others. I know the public is very disappointed with the performance of the squad recently but it still alright as public expectation is a form of motivation fto the players. It's just that if such expectations are not address and deal properly, it will only create extra burden and pressure to the players."

    .................................................. .................................................. ................................
    Pardon my poor Chinese and English but at least is better than google translator(or so is my shameless claim).
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    Thanks for the article lcleing.

    It is a surprise to read the comment, saying that "Li Mao's first big test will be the World championship in Wembley Arena 2011, from 8/8 to 14/8".

    IMHO, it should take more than a year before we can say if Li Mao's coaching there has or hasn't improved INA Singles players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Thanks for the article lcleing.

    It is a surprise to read the comment, saying that "Li Mao's first big test will be the World championship in Wembley Arena 2011, from 8/8 to 14/8".

    IMHO, it should take more than a year before we can say if Li Mao's coaching there has or hasn't improved INA Singles players.
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    Here is a look at the Mens singles landscape for Indonesia. Most of it is based on raw data, and some of it is based on observation and projection.

    Simon Santoso. Age 26 years 2 months. Current ranking: 18.
    Chances of winning a major tournament: Very slim. He gets into the quarters, maybe the semis, and then gets shoved out. Even if he works hard on his fitness, he is not getting any younger. His style of play is very technically correct, and like Sony Dwi Koncoro, reminiscent of the "lazy" Indonesian trademark: to lull the opponent into a sense of security, then explode. But he is inconsistent, and tends to give up when he is behind.

    Alamsyah Yunus. Age: 25 years 2 months. Current ranking: 30
    Chances of winning a major tournament: Also very slim. He does not have any single weapon in his arsenal that marks him out as a potential champion, and will always be a journeyman at most events.

    Sony Dwi Koncoro. Age: 27 years 2 months. Current ranking: 93.
    The real tragic tale of Indonesia MS. Sony will have to drop everything in his life to focus only and only, on badminton for the next year, if he is to regain what should have been his rightful position in the world MS stage. But it may be just too late for him.

    Tommy Sugiarto. Age: 23 years 3 months. Current ranking: 21
    Tommy flatters to deceive. He makes it to the last 4 or 8 or finals of GPs, GPGs, International Challenge etc, and comes up short in any major event where the good international players are present. The data clearly shows that he has not been able to raise his game when it really matters. His ranking does not really reflect his potential. He does have age on his side, however. If Li Mao works on him, there may be some possibility. But Tommy would first have to unlearn some of the things that keep him from moving into the semis or finals of the majors. That is the challenge.

    Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka (aka Dino! ) Age: almost 23 years. Current ranking: 27
    Basically the same story here as Tommy, with some minor differences, in style of play and approach. For some reason the hunger to drive himself to the last drop blood is missing. The desire to construct a point and to play tactically is also missing for the most part. Li Mao may possibly have some success with him, but that would also depend on how much Dino is willing to make sacrifices, and put aside his ego.

    Andre Kurniawan Tedjono. Age: 25 years 9 months. Ranking: 107
    Well, well, well. Andre has been beating his own path: downwards! Victim of politics? Not enough opportunities? Not enough top-level challenges? Whatever the reasons are, this is a big loss for Indonesia. He has the ability and skills to be a top player; but time may be running out for him as well. Unless he is fast-tracked...

    There are others, like Indra Bagus Ade Chandra, Arif Ramadhan, Wisnu, Riyanto, Adnan etc, who may possibly have that "something special" to take them to the top 20 in one or 2 years time, but other countries will be doing the same with their younger players as well.

    Indonesia have 6 in the top 100, and 7 between 101-200.
    Malaysia have 6 in the top 100, and 9 between 101-200.
    Denmark have 8 in the top 100, and 7 between 101-200.
    Japan have 6 in the top 100, 5 between 101-200.
    India have 9 in the top 100, and 1 in the next 100.

    Indonesia will have to do something radically different to break away from other countries if it wants to become a force in MS again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Here is a look at the Mens singles landscape for Indonesia. Most of it is based on raw data, and some of it is based on observation and projection.

    Simon Santoso. Age 26 years 2 months. Current ranking: 18.
    Chances of winning a major tournament: Very slim. He gets into the quarters, maybe the semis, and then gets shoved out. Even if he works hard on his fitness, he is not getting any younger. His style of play is very technically correct, and like Sony Dwi Koncoro, reminiscent of the "lazy" Indonesian trademark: to lull the opponent into a sense of security, then explode. But he is inconsistent, and tends to give up when he is behind.

    Alamsyah Yunus. Age: 25 years 2 months. Current ranking: 30
    Chances of winning a major tournament: Also very slim. He does not have any single weapon in his arsenal that marks him out as a potential champion, and will always be a journeyman at most events.

    Sony Dwi Koncoro. Age: 27 years 2 months. Current ranking: 93.
    The real tragic tale of Indonesia MS. Sony will have to drop everything in his life to focus only and only, on badminton for the next year, if he is to regain what should have been his rightful position in the world MS stage. But it may be just too late for him.

    Tommy Sugiarto. Age: 23 years 3 months. Current ranking: 21
    Tommy flatters to deceive. He makes it to the last 4 or 8 or finals of GPs, GPGs, International Challenge etc, and comes up short in any major event where the good international players are present. The data clearly shows that he has not been able to raise his game when it really matters. His ranking does not really reflect his potential. He does have age on his side, however. If Li Mao works on him, there may be some possibility. But Tommy would first have to unlearn some of the things that keep him from moving into the semis or finals of the majors. That is the challenge.

    Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka (aka Dino! ) Age: almost 23 years. Current ranking: 27
    Basically the same story here as Tommy, with some minor differences, in style of play and approach. For some reason the hunger to drive himself to the last drop blood is missing. The desire to construct a point and to play tactically is also missing for the most part. Li Mao may possibly have some success with him, but that would also depend on how much Dino is willing to make sacrifices, and put aside his ego.

    Andre Kurniawan Tedjono. Age: 25 years 9 months. Ranking: 107
    Well, well, well. Andre has been beating his own path: downwards! Victim of politics? Not enough opportunities? Not enough top-level challenges? Whatever the reasons are, this is a big loss for Indonesia. He has the ability and skills to be a top player; but time may be running out for him as well. Unless he is fast-tracked...

    There are others, like Indra Bagus Ade Chandra, Arif Ramadhan, Wisnu, Riyanto, Adnan etc, who may possibly have that "something special" to take them to the top 20 in one or 2 years time, but other countries will be doing the same with their younger players as well.

    Indonesia have 6 in the top 100, and 7 between 101-200.
    Malaysia have 6 in the top 100, and 9 between 101-200.
    Denmark have 8 in the top 100, and 7 between 101-200.
    Japan have 6 in the top 100, 5 between 101-200.
    India have 9 in the top 100, and 1 in the next 100.

    Indonesia will have to do something radically different to break away from other countries if it wants to become a force in MS again.
    Oh. This really tell Indonesian MS landscape.
    As for the 'lazy' style, don't know why this is happening to INA MS. Perhaps too much of Taufik Hidayat shadow?
    Prior to this era, INA MS had each own unique style, namely Hariyanto Arbi for his smash, Ardy BW was success even without smash, Joko and Alan with all-round kind of player.
    But, IMO, the main weakness of current INA MS (also other department), is lack of never give up mentality.

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    Update on my last post #149 (see above):
    Nothing to add. No change. Possibly worse, but certainly not getting better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Update on my last post #149 (see above):Nothing to add. No change. Possibly worse, but certainly not getting better.
    I am afraid in this case, the old saying is true,

    "can't teach an old dog new tricks"...

    Unless the players can adapt and not only want to adapt to such changes

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    How come he is not in Malaysia with the players??

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