In what circumstance can the player touch the net?

[pBmMalaysia]

To me the more important phrase is "on the striker's side" not "starts" as it emphasized that the shuttle has not crossed over the net.

Indeed the umpire must be very alert on this point of touching the net with the racket. It is a matter of which event comes first. Whether your racket touches the net after a fault is called or before it.

Example:

You hit a hard smash near the net. Your opponent cannot return the shuttle which crashes to the ground. The umpire calls "fault" against the receiver. Then your racket hits the net after the fault is called. It comes later.

Who will lose the point - you or your opponent? (See Fidget's post above)

I lost the point because when I tapped the shuttle,

I sent the umpire in his chair flying over to the next court

[pcll99]

To me the more important phrase is "on the striker's side" not "starts" as it emphasized that the shuttle has not crossed over the net.

Indeed the umpire must be very alert on this point of touching the net with the racket. It is a matter of which event comes first. Whether your racket touches the net after a fault is called or before it.

Example:

You hit a hard smash near the net. Your opponent cannot return the shuttle which crashes to the ground. The umpire calls "fault" against the receiver. Then your racket hits the net after the fault is called. It comes later.

Who will lose the point - you or your opponent? (See Fidget's post above)

As for your example, here goes.

At the moment the birdie touches the ground, then according the 15.2, the game is no longer "in play". Therefore whether the receiver touches the net is irrelevant and 13.4.1 has no application. 13.4.1 says "it shall be a fault if, in play, a player touches the net or its supports with racket, person or dress." In conclusion, since the striker touches the net after the birdie touches the ground, the strike wins the point.

Btw, I do not think the timing of the umpire's call is relevant either. It is what the players and the shutters do which are relevant.

[visor]

^^

yes that is correct

and quite often we don't have umpires sitting by the side to help us during recreational club play

so the players have to know the rules and laws

[pBmMalaysia]

As for your example, here goes.

At the moment the birdie touches the ground, then according the 15.2, the game is no longer "in play". Therefore whether the receiver touches the net is irrelevant and 13.4.1 has no application. 13.4.1 says "it shall be a fault if, in play, a player touches the net or its supports with racket, person or dress." In conclusion, since the striker touches the net after the birdie touches the ground, the strike wins the point.

Btw, I do not think the timing of the umpire's call is relevant either. It is what the players and the shutters do which are relevant.

By right, umpire has to say out loud 'fault', in this case when the bird touches the ground,

just in case other thing happens almost at the same time

Here is a real case, player tries to tap and instead of sending shuttle down he sent it straight to the baseline

Hence the umpire shouted fault after his racket touches the net cord.

Here, to the umpire he saw the racket head touches the net cord

before he turn his head to see what happens to the shuttle...

Naturally of course

[pcll99]

By right, umpire has to say out loud 'fault', in this case when the bird touches the ground,

just in case other thing happens almost at the same time

this is getting more and more interesting...

Does the umpire has a obligation to call out loud a fault?? Or is it simply a right, not an obligation?

Also should the umpire says whose fault?? Like during servicing... I notice this is the only time when umpire would call out loud a "receiver's fault call" or "service fault call"

[pBmMalaysia]

this is getting more and more interesting...

Does the umpire has a obligation to call out loud a fault?? Or is it simply a right, not an obligation?

Also should the umpire says whose fault?? Like during servicing... I notice this is the only time when umpire would call out loud a "receiver's fault call" or "service fault call"

An obligation I am sure

Well, certainly it's you having the fault if he is looking at you

[Loh]

this is getting more and more interesting...

Does the umpire has a obligation to call out loud a fault?? Or is it simply a right, not an obligation?

Also should the umpire says whose fault?? Like during servicing... I notice this is the only time when umpire would call out loud a "receiver's fault call" or "service fault call"

Law 17.6

17.6 An umpire shall:

17.6.1 uphold and enforce the Laws of Badminton and, especially, call a ‘fault’ or a ‘let’ should either occur;

17.6.2 give a decision on any appeal regarding a point of dispute, if made before the next service is delivered;

17.6.3 ensure players and spectators are kept informed of the progress of the match;

17.6.4 appoint or replace line judges or a service judge in consultation with the Referee;

17.6.5 where another technical official is not appointed, arrange for that official’s duties to be carried out;

17.6.6 where an appointed official is unsighted, carry out that official’s duties or play a ‘let’;

17.6.7 record and report to the Referee all matters relating to Law 16; and

17.6.8 refer to the Referee all unsatisfied appeals on questions of law only. (Such appeals must be made before the next service is delivered or, if at the end of the match, before the side that appeals has left the court.)

Law 16 refers to "CONTINUOUS PLAY, MISCONDUCT & PENALTIES"

That is why I said the sequence of events is important to the umpire. Which event comes first? The shuttle touches the ground or body of the receiver first or the contact with the racket or with the body of the striker? The umpire must call "FAULT" when it occurs so that the next fault that comes after e.g.hitting the net, will not count.

During service it is the Service Judge who has to call out "FAULT" and in the absence of one, the umpire will do it.

[pcll99]

thanks... this discussion is very useful...

17.6.8 is something I didn't know before..... appeal on question of law only!!!!

[pBmMalaysia]

So be careful if you engage yourself with mr.loh in badminton,

you may get away with the fact but not the law...

[Loh]

So be careful if you engage yourself with mr.loh in badminton,

you may get away with the fact but not the law...

Wah I don't want to be chased out of the umpire's chair and booed "Referee Kayu"!

[kingofpain]

Please help me out with my net kill, my racket often touches the net (so it is a fault, right ?), especially backhand net kill !

[chris-ccc]

Please help me out with my net kill, my racket often touches the net (so it is a fault, right ?), especially backhand net kill !

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During a rally (before the shuttlecock touches the floor, in or out), the net cannot be touched at all.
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[visor]

Please help me out with my net kill, my racket often touches the net (so it is a fault, right ?), especially backhand net kill !

If the shuttle is too close to the net, the only way to put the bird down without touching the net is to brush across the bird.

[Naim.F.C]

Is it also a fault if your racket goes over the net? I.e on to the side of the opponent, if even by a few inches?

[visor]

Is it also a fault if your racket goes over the net? I.e on to the side of the opponent, if even by a few inches?

iirc allowed only on follow thru after hitting the bird on your side, but not before

Fault if:
13.4.2 invades an opponent's court over the net with racket or person except that the striker may follow the shuttle over the net with the racket in the course of a stroke after the initial point of contact with the shuttle is on the striker's side of the net;

[Naim.F.C]

iirc allowed only on follow thru after hitting the bird on your side, but not before

Thanks for clearing that up!