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    Young Zul is born in USA but bred in Malaysia to Malaysian dad. The genes is what counts. If I remember correctly, Zul's mother is from Indonesia? So, Zul can also represent his mum's country? Multiple representation, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Young Zul is born in USA but bred in Malaysia to Malaysian dad. The genes is what counts. If I remember correctly, Zul's mother is from Indonesia? So, Zul can also represent his mum's country? Multiple representation, LOL.
    Now will INA be interested? Maybe not since they have plentiful of about ZZ's standard.

    What a wonderful choice - USA, MAS (sorry maybe should be KLRC) or INA!
    Which one will provide the most incentives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    So does he qualify as a "foreign talent" if he plays for MAS, since ZZ was not born there.
    It seems to me that some think that a local must be born and bred in the same country.
    I don't know the answer to this question. You have to ask him what passport does he hold now. As for the earlier question, I don't understand how one can you be considered as foreign talent when one represent his/her country of birth. What is foreign? How do you define foreign? I am done with this issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Now will INA be interested? Maybe not since they have plentiful of about ZZ's standard.

    What a wonderful choice - USA, MAS (sorry maybe should be KLRC) or INA!
    Which one will provide the most incentives?
    We don't know what are the incentives offered by these countries. ZZ and team should know and maybe it's more than that. Maybe it's the love towards that country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    I don't know the answer to this question. You have to ask him what passport does he hold now. As for the earlier question, I don't understand how one can you be considered as foreign talent when one represent his/her country of birth. What is foreign? How do you define foreign? I am done with this issue.



    We don't know what are the incentives offered by these countries. ZZ and team should know and maybe it's more than that. Maybe it's the love towards that country.
    Loh is only teasing and having a sly dig at his fellow Singaporeans.

    UK has a tradition of foreign born talents representing them as well. Athletics and wrestling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Loh is only teasing and having a sly dig at his fellow Singaporeans.

    UK has a tradition of foreign born talents representing them as well. Athletics and wrestling.
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    I was thinking that Loh was also wishing that Singapore would try to get ZZ to play for Singapore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Loh is only teasing and having a sly dig at his fellow Singaporeans.

    UK has a tradition of foreign born talents representing them as well. Athletics and wrestling.
    AFAIK, Loh has no issues with foreign players representing Singapore.

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    What a shame. Someone should go and post it in najib fb. That will wake him up.

    Zulkifli insisted his son was not demanding the incentives but found it strange how quickly Sea Games medal-winners were rewarded in a pomp affair.

    Anyway, I posted it on Njib fb. See if he's still thinking of elections.
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    I am sorry to deflate ZZ. It s great he s the first Malaysian to be a WJC MS champion but at the WJC level, it s like being a kindergarten champion. He has a long way to go and he wants to jump queue. His dad knows all about opportunities speeding up progress. ZZ probably has more tournament experience than his opponents in the WJC. He s outstanding in some ways but he will not even come near LCW because he does not have LCW s speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nokh88 View Post
    AFAIK, Loh has no issues with foreign players representing Singapore.
    That's consistent with my impression of Loh as well. It's some of his fellow Singaporeans that have a problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    I am sorry to deflate ZZ. It s great he s the first Malaysian to be a WJC MS champion but at the WJC level, it s like being a kindergarten champion. He has a long way to go and he wants to jump queue. His dad knows all about opportunities speeding up progress. ZZ probably has more tournament experience than his opponents in the WJC. He s outstanding in some ways but he will not even come near LCW because he does not have LCW s speed.
    I think it's fair to say the guy is still developing. Saina is slower than her contemporaries but compensates with other areas of her game. I agree there is still a long way to go - interest may wane, injuries may take it's toll etc.

    But I don't have a problem with exposure at team events. I think a young player to travel with a team (although may not play) can only serve as an inspiration and give experience in later years. Obviously, the formula doesn't work with all players, but what better is there? And if you are not going to consider him for the opportunity, who do you consider? State champion, National junior champion, national junior squad vs world junior champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
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    But I don't have a problem with exposure at team events. I think a young player to travel with a team (although may not play) can only serve as an inspiration and give experience in later years. Obviously, the formula doesn't work with all players, but what better is there? And if you are not going to consider him for the opportunity, who do you consider? State champion, National junior champion, national junior squad vs world junior champion
    If follow seniority, even Iskandar & Loh WS, the AJC runner up, have not gone for TC. So, following the pecking order, they should get to go 1st. Zul, 2014 perhaps.
    Denmark is different, they have even greater lack of MS players. Plus, I read in the threads Victor went on his own/his club's expense, not officially part of national team during 2010 TC. Unless you mean Zul's sponsors pay for him to go(price of gold is good now, Andrew Kam ),but not in the offcial list of players
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    I was thinking that Loh was also wishing that Singapore would try to get ZZ to play for Singapore.
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    Now naughty, naughty Chris. We welcome Msians who are qualified and willing to work in Spore as well as other foreign talents.

    But when it comes to sports, I think our leaders will have to acknowledge the political sensitivities to avoid negative outcomes.

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    It is good to have a leadership mentality. Meaning, LCW should be close to him to give him tips. Just like LD and CL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Now naughty, naughty Chris. We welcome Msians who are qualified and willing to work in Spore as well as other foreign talents.
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    Even if ZZ's father (and KLRC) agree with ZZ to play for Singapore, SBA may not agree.

    Why? Because I believe that ZZ still insists to remain;
    (1) as an independent player,
    (2) attached to KLRC, and
    (3) to be coached by his father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Even if ZZ's father (and KLRC) agree with ZZ to play for Singapore, SBA may not agree.

    Why? Because I believe that ZZ still insists to remain;
    (1) as an independent player,
    (2) attached to KLRC, and
    (3) to be coached by his father.
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    Well I'm not so sure. As change is the only constant these days, we can't be too sure of the future. If the incentives are overwhemingly in favor of ZZ to help him achieve his targets quickly, his dad should have no reason to insist he must play for MAS, especially if BAM keeps on stalling and continues its wrangling with KLRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    It is good to have a leadership mentality. Meaning, LCW should be close to him to give him tips. Just like LD and CL.
    Who gave LCW tips when he was younger? WCH? ZZ probably has more tournament exposure than even Arif, so he s ahead in some ways but is he better yet? I doubt so. Sometimes it s better to take the bus to a destination than to get chaffeured. May take longer to reach but also more likely to know the direction and texture of the route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    Well I'm not so sure. As change is the only constant these days, we can't be too sure of the future. If the incentives are overwhemingly in favor of ZZ to help him achieve his targets quickly, his dad should have no reason to insist he must play for MAS, especially if BAM keeps on stalling and continues its wrangling with KLRC.
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    After reading the article again, I found that it's ZZ to make the decision, not his dad nor KLRC.
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