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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    What you are saying is not different from what BAM are thinking.
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    That is how I observe it as an outsider.
    ZZ is making life difficult for himself. And KLRC is not helping the issue.
    But if it is possible for the parties concerned to have a selection trial, then he may still have a chance to represent MAS at the forthcoming Thomas Cup.

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    loh ...
    ranking point is based on past result and performance a player play a whole year in international level...
    so basically it should be taking consideration ..

    like lee chong wei... we selcected him based on past performance that he win a lot of title before this ....
    so based on past performance of ZZ , he should be included in thomas cup team ...

    we not a wizard that can see the future but ..he already justified that he should be included since he had won asian junior and world junior 2011.
    recent result- in which he reached semifinal of malaysia international challenge 2011 in sabah .... show he had great potential to go further ... ( this is better result considering most back up player played in that tournament and fall short- like chan kuan beng ( quarterfinal), misbun ramdan (quarterfinal), goh soon huat ( 3rd round)....
    Please la don't stop his progresss by not included him in the thomas cup cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by athram1010 View Post
    loh ...
    ranking point is based on past result and performance a player play a whole year in international level...
    so basically it should be taking consideration ..

    like lee chong wei... we selcected him based on past performance that he win a lot of title before this ....
    so based on past performance of ZZ , he should be included in thomas cup team ...

    we not a wizard that can see the future but ..he already justified that he should be included since he had won asian junior and world junior 2011.
    recent result- in which he reached semifinal of malaysia international challenge 2011 in sabah .... show he had great potential to go further ... ( this is better result considering most back up player played in that tournament and fall short- like chan kuan beng ( quarterfinal), misbun ramdan (quarterfinal), goh soon huat ( 3rd round)....
    Please la don't stop his progresss by not included him in the thomas cup cup
    I'm not sure whether or how much ranking points are given to junior championships. If they are, then such events exclude those who are past the junior age and therefore exclude many who may want to score points.

    That's why I emphasized the senior level which are normally open to all players. Of course there are also BWF tournaments which exclude low ranked players such as the current SS Finals and the Olympics, which imposed restrictions. Yes if ZZ is able to score points at BWF recognized tourneys from those he already participated in (to a predetermined future date), such points should be taken into account as world ranking points for comparison purposes. And if by the deadline for competitions, the authorities decided that WR points should form the basis for selection, then ZZ should be included to provided the best possible team for MAS.

    However, as I pointed out, in reality, things may not pan out that way. BAM may want only their national players to form the TC team with the excuse that their players can jell better. And this will be unfair to ZZ. There should be a competition for a place in the team to make it democratic and only the best represent the country.

    But will it turn out that way?
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    as far as ZZ is concerned... all arguments is moot as long as he continues to win.. let all the politics and posturing and boardroom manoeuvres be dealt with by his father... the pressure of having to win all the time even at this stage ..and proving oneself... alone is lots of pressure.. thank god his coach is his father..providing him with the necessary deflection

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    WJC means just that , king among juniors. ZZ can prove himself in seniors by taking part in many senior tournaments and see how many upsets he can make. Don t have to win titles. TC is a senior tournament. Am sure he can join as observer. Just ask the gold mine sponsor to release gold like Sho s sponsor and play all over the world. Within one year or two, Sho s in top 10 or so. If ZZ can do that, BAM will have to include him. He has the perfect skin colour as well.

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    Zul has already proven that an independent player can make it - by being Msia's 1st WJC & AJC in MS. Personally I think if Zul is/was under BAM, he would have been too pressured & end up dont win(remember Iskandar's case).
    Datuk Andrew Kam is not bothered much, badminton is like his side project, lose, ok never mind, he just mine more gold to sponsor the players.

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    the only hope for ZZ to be with BAM is BAM must not involved any and THAT MEANS ANY politic motives that currently happened nowadays only you just don't know yet...

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    Arrow BAM follow the CBA's system

    Quote Originally Posted by ngkt67 View Post
    the only hope for ZZ to be with BAM is BAM must not involved any and THAT MEANS ANY politic motives that currently happened nowadays only you just don't know yet...
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    From Loh's posts, the thing I agree with is "a democratic selection trial could solve the problem of representation".

    BAM was formed to look after Badminton in Malaysia. BAM shouldn't ignore (or give problems to) players wishing to play as independent players.

    BAM follow the CBA's system. If not in CBA, Chinese players can't play.

    I rather follow the PBSI's system. Taufik is an independent player, and PBSI still treat Taufik as an Indonesian 'national' player.
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    I totally agree that ZZ must prove himself at the senior level. The junior titles meant little unlike the senior ones.

    If ZZ chose to play for KLRC and remain "independent" he must prove himself by improving his world ranking.

    And a case can be made by all concerned that any player wishing to represent MAS at international events such as the TC and UC will be based on his WR by a certain
    cut-off date. If necessary this must be followed up to the highest authority to arrive at a neutral decision that takes into account the country's interest and not partisan interest as currently displayed. BAM has to make it transparent and democratic to avoid confusion, criticism and arguments. This is also to cater to more non-BAM players in future.

    So in the end only the best can don MAS colors. But for now ZZ needs to prove he is among the best in the country and that is by scoring more WR points.
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    ZZ stopped at 3rd round in India GP...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ngkt67 View Post
    ZZ stopped at 3rd round in India GP...

    Exactly what it means at the senior level.

    WJC is too far away from the best at the senior level. Even Alamsyah can subdue ZZ in straight games. So ZZ must earn his WR points the harder way before he can claim a place in MAS' TC team and his dad and KLRC have to play a stronger role to help him achieve this.

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    ZZ still cannot take a game off Alamsyah Yunus, proves that he still has a very long way to go!

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    once upon a time,chen long lost to andrew smith after he won the wjc
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    maaaan ... this boy will be the most scrutinized player ever in BC if this continues... ...

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    Thumbs up ZZ is changing the course of Badminton in Malaysia

    Quote Originally Posted by pajrul View Post
    maaaan ... this boy will be the most scrutinized player ever in BC if this continues... ...
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    Hahaha... He should be.

    Reasons;
    * ZZ is the 1st Asian Junior Championships Boys Singles winner.
    * ZZ is the 1st World Junior Championships Boys Singles winner.
    * ZZ is insisting on staying as an independent player (away from BAM).
    * ZZ is getting huge support from many Malaysians. But BAM people continue to neglect him.
    * ZZ is the 'Golden Boy' of KLRC, a club that doesn't require tax-paying Malaysians to support.

    IMHO, ZZ is changing the course of how Malaysian players in future will participate in Badminton (as professionals without the need for BAM).
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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    once upon a time,chen long lost to andrew smith after he won the wjc
    Chen Long made the climb to the top, he finished his long way. Will Zul?

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    Question Will BAM allow ZZ to climb without BAM?

    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    Chen Long made the climb to the top, he finished his long way. Will Zul?
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    I hope ZZ can.

    Chen Long climbed to the top with CBA. ZZ is different from CL, ZZ wants to climb up without BAM.

    CBA would not allow CL to climb to the top without CBA. The question is: Will BAM allow ZZ to climb without BAM?
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