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12-23-2011, 10:41 PM #392
If BAM has no interest in ZZ's welfare, BAM would not have offered to take him in. But it seems ZZ prefers to remain with KLRC and so he has to bear with the consequences. In any case ZZ is just starting out in the long and arduous road in professional badminton. So don't make it out that he is going to be MAS's MS savior.
Remember LCW is brought through the BAM system and has done very well for MAS.
Last edited by Loh; 12-23-2011 at 10:51 PM.
12-23-2011, 11:09 PM #393
Strong accusations should not be aired without much consideration and evidence
If you have read my posts (in the past so many years), I am dead against BAM (Malaysia), SBA (Singapore), CBA (China), and other National Associations that treat independent/club players with discrimination.
I am for Denmark, Germany, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, and other National Associations that treat independent/club players without discrimination.
Perhaps, I shall say no more.
12-23-2011, 11:09 PM #394
And whatever criticism we may have against CBA and LYB, China Badminton is still tops in the world and a great force to reckon with. Their system of grooming and blooding their talents has generally been very successful as evidenced by their success in major tournaments. So CL and others like him should count themselves very lucky to have an extensive and comprehensive system to support their ambitions.
12-23-2011, 11:16 PM #395
12-24-2011, 12:21 AM #396
12-24-2011, 01:01 AM #397
12-24-2011, 01:31 AM #398
We have not arrived at a world without the need of government yet. So we need to take advantage of whatever is available to us and not to take issue with everything that seems to be against us. For there are others who managed to thrive in the same system.
It is different though when we see discriminatory policies being enshrined in laws or constitutions because of race, language, religion or political affiliation.
National badminton associations have to account for their failures at some stage of their development and change may then be necessary to enable them to succeed. It is no use to criticizing them so very often when their job has not been completed.
12-24-2011, 01:41 AM #399
The AJC & WJC runner up/s, Iskandar & Loh WS are still are still struggling to find their footing. There's 8 years difference between LCW & Iskandar, 10 years between LCW & Zul.
So, let Zul be the pioneer in the Independent players group. Who knows, Zul can make it better without all the politics(there are lots of it), red tape, constant criticism cos it's using taxpayers money.
Last edited by eaglehelang; 12-24-2011 at 01:45 AM.
12-24-2011, 01:57 AM #400
You also need to understand what some of our players have gone through (discrimination done by their National Associations).
Just to name a few (and you need to talk to them);
* Chen Hong
* Zhou Mi
* Wang Chen
* Zhang Beiwen
* Gan Teik Chai and Tan Bin Shen
* etc, etc, ......
They would tell you that their National Associations are doing more harm than good to Badminton (as a sport available to all players).
12-24-2011, 02:24 AM #401
12-24-2011, 03:15 AM #402
But can we pinpoint that the administration and their system are to be blamed? Perhaps the quality of the players also play a part. Very good singles players are hard to come by especially for smaller countries with a smaller talent pool. They are different from doubles players. And it takes many years to produce a good player. Some of MAS backup players showed potential initially but somehow they underperformed later. Generally there is no lack of support from the administration but the question still remains why there is not much progress. So criticism from many angles begin to be directed at BAM. There is no easy answer.
12-24-2011, 03:28 AM #403
i have stated that rashid sidek is in charge of the project 2012 since 2005
because of his inability as a coach,that's why we have this kind of situation currently on ms
i believe some people in charge of bam think as same as what u think
that's why rashid sidek can always sit beside teh sb and yawning with disinterest
yeah,keep rashid sidek in home and he will get u more failure
congrats to bam,hehe
12-24-2011, 10:02 AM #404
Why don't National Associations support players doing their own things?
I agree... It looks like Loh thinks that the coaching is to be offered by BAM, and not by independent people.
The comments that I have posted weren't to say that the coaching at BAM is not good. What I meant to say was that players should have the right to choose independent coaches or even go overseas to get coaching/training. And I said that these players should not get discriminated by BAM (or other National Associations).
Even for Zhang Beiwen in SBA, I posted;
Last edited by chris-ccc; 12-24-2011 at 10:06 AM.
12-24-2011, 08:10 PM #405
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12-24-2011, 10:43 PM #406
And I'm also against covert discrimination that is legislated as I've mentioned in my earlier post.
12-24-2011, 11:39 PM #407
I do however feel that a proper setup like BAM would have much greater resources than even a club like KLRC (I think) to offer to the committed trainee with aspirations. Not just with proper coaching but including other attendant facilities and services like gym, sports science, medical, physiotherapy, administration including arranging for flights, accommodation and even meals, etc, etc.
If a player still wants to choose a club and not BAM, I feel it is such a waste.
As regards players whom Chris felt were being discriminated against, I don't have the facts to verify the truth or otherwise.
But on ZBW, it is her own undoing because of disciplinary problems despite the fact that she has been given a second chance.
To go against the administration that supported you without good reasons is not a wise thing to do with your career.
Last edited by Loh; 12-24-2011 at 11:44 PM.
12-25-2011, 12:13 AM #408
We need to return to around Post #170's of this thread
I am afraid that we are going round-and-round in circle.
I am saying that BAM (or other National Association) should look after ALL their players participating for Malaysia (or their countries). Currently, BAM doesn't care for players not playing under BAM, but playing for Malaysia.
It looks like we need to return to around Post #170's of this thread;