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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Feel so sorry for WCH's fans wishing to watch WCH play.

    Also, feeling sorry for WCH himself - flying hundreds of miles to show up for just a few seconds.
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    No "team orders" of course.

    I wonder if LD did the same at the recent Singapore Open, would he be "forgiven"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
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    Or does he think he has a better machinery than BAM? If he has, then he should take over the running of BAM and bring in various talents to enhance its workings so that MAS will have a bountiful supply of first-class players and rule the badminton world once more?
    He did try to run for the post President of BAM but too much negative comments from politicians accusing KLRC of 'sabotaging' national interest by pinching players. BAM/national associations should be happy there are clubs trying to help out the players instead of monopolizing.
    Look at INA, the clubs are so active, Djarum to me sometimes seems 'bigger' than PBSI in trying to promote badminton in INA.

    Later I heard of an unwritten rule that only 'certain' people can be BAM President, Datuk Andrew dont qualify that quota.

    From sometime back, I did state that Zulfadli will be one of the examples of how independent players can make it. BAM is not doing good job at developing the MS dept, looking at how Arif, Iskandar, Loh WS are doing now. Mr Zulklifi me thinks, was smart to sign Zulfadli with KLRC with Zul was 15.

    Zul can train with the national team like what Hafiz used to do when he was under Nusa.
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    Badminton: Zulfadli has Kam's backing

    By K.M. Boopathy
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    2011/07/15

    KLRC director Datuk Seri Andrew Kam has pledged to financially support Zulfadli Zulkifli as long as the player wishes to stay with the club.
    Kam said Zulfadli has the potential to win Olympic gold and stated the club will do everything necessary for him reach that level.

    KLRC hired a full-time coach in Hadi, the Indonesian who had been India's singles coach for almost three years, last month and he has already started training Zulfadli.

    Hadi had been guiding most of the Indian shuttlers, including women's singles Saina Nehwal, before accepting the KLRC offer and Kam believes Zulfadli will benefit tremendously from the Indonesian who emphasises on building physical strength and adding power, which are the Asian junior champion's major weaknesses.

    Hadi also coached in Singapore previously where Ronald Susilo and Kendrick Lee were under his tutelage.

    Kam said Zulfadli can join the BA of Malaysia (BAM) at any time as KLRC are not in competition with the national body as they just want to ensure there is a bigger pool of players in the country.

    "Zulfadli has the potential to win Olympic gold and we (KLRC) want to groom him. We want him to build on the success of winning the Asian Junior title and go on to greater heights," said Kam yesterday.

    "His next target is the World Juniors (in Taiwan on Oct 28-Nov6) which Malaysians singles players have not won before and with Hadi in place and supported by his father Zulkifli (Sidek), he has the chance to upset favourite Viktor Axelsen (of Denmark).

    "Previously, KLRC used to rope in players who left the national team but now, we have a junior programme and Zulfadli's success is proof that we are going in the right direction.

    "However, we are not competing with BAM but trying to complement them by providing a bigger pool of players who can be considered for international duties."

    Kam added that Zulfadli has the advantage of sparring with senior players like Hafiz Hashim, Yeoh Kay Bin, Sairul Amar Ayob, Lee Tsuen Seng and K. Yogendran who are also with KLRC.

    He also regularly gets the opportunity to spar with international shuttlers sponsored by KLRC who have training stints in Kuala Lumpur.

    "Hafiz is still playing on the international stage and although Sairul and Tsuen Seng are not competing, they are quality stroke players and Zulfadli can only benefit."

    KLRC will also be sponsoring Julia Wong who left the national team last month as she has stated her interest to continue playing as an independent player.

    http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/k...icle/art_print





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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    He did try to run for the post President of BAM but too much negative comments from politicians accusing KLRC of 'sabotaging' national interest by pinching players. BAM/national associations should be happy there are clubs trying to help out the players instead of monopolizing.
    Look at INA, the clubs are so active, Djarum to me sometimes seems 'bigger' than PBSI in trying to promote badminton in INA.

    Later I heard of an unwritten rule that only 'certain' people can be BAM President, Datuk Andrew dont qualify that quota.

    From sometime back, I did state that Zulfadli will be one of the examples of how independent players can make it. BAM is not doing good job at developing the MS dept, looking at how Arif, Iskandar, Loh WS are doing now. Mr Zulklifi me thinks, was smart to sign Zulfadli with KLRC with Zul was 15.

    Zul can train with the national team like what Hafiz used to do when he was under Nusa.
    I hope you are right.

    This seemingly conflicting interest can backfire and may result in BAM not wanting to cooperate with KLRC in future. KLRC players may not be allowed to train with BAM players and may not be chosen to represent the country. It has happened before and will this lead to 'unity and harmony' to produce MAS's future champions?

    Of course time will tell...

    On Andrew Kam's desire to head up BAM once before, we also had great discussions here on the "BWF-Gunalan saga" and how Andrew Kam suddenly joined the fray to challenge the incumbent BWF president. He lost ... and it shows that indeed politics have been allowed to encroach into sports.
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    Soon KLRC will take over BAM for good...!!

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    I don't know what sort of arrangement Malaysian badminton will evolve into.

    Will there be more clubs like KLRC competing with BAM to try to produce their own champions? Will such 'club' champions compete with BAM players nationally to determine who deserves the honour to represent the country in team tournaments like the Thomas/Uber/Sudirman Cups games like the Commonwealth, Asian and Olympic Games? What about individual tournaments like the SS series? I suppose the clubs will have to finance their own players.

    Will it evolve into something like the Indonesian system, with the clubs competing with PBSI players? What about truly independent players like Taufik Hidayat? I consider ZZ to be a 'club' player and not an independent player like TH or 'uncle' WCH now.

    It will take such clubs a great deal of commitment and resources to support promising players to be developed into champions. Even BAM with the government machinery behind them has found it difficult going.

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    I don't know what sort of arrangement Malaysian badminton will evolve into.

    Will there be more clubs like KLRC competing with BAM to try to produce their own champions? Will such 'club' champions compete with BAM players nationally to determine who deserves the honour to represent the country in team tournaments like the Thomas/Uber/Sudirman Cups games like the Commonwealth, Asian and Olympic Games? What about individual tournaments like the SS series? I suppose the clubs will have to finance their own players.

    Will it evolve into something like the Indonesian system, with the clubs competing with PBSI players? What about truly independent players like Taufik Hidayat? I consider ZZ to be a 'club' player and not an independent player like TH or 'uncle' WCH now.

    It will take such clubs a great deal of commitment and resources to support promising players to be developed into champions. Even BAM with the entire government machinery behind them has found it difficult going. LCW will be their best hope to win an Olympic gold an it took a very long time and there is no guarantee that it will happen in London in a year' time.

    Now KRLC is trying to do so with ZZ and one can imagine how difficult it is as the other badminton powerhouses are also doing likewise.

    So does it make sense for KRLC to cooperate with BAM to capitalize on their respective resources for a common objective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    Hiring an extra coach is not enough, They need a team of experts or tie up with nsc
    Well, KLRC should be able to afford a quality fitness and stamina trainer to complement Hadi. The NSC team of experts does not seem to make any difference to BAM players. Something s not quite right when not a few of them become injury-prone with the NSC input. The players have to have more tournament exposure to develop their competitive experience to be world class players. Look at Japanese players. It looks like they plan ahead to peak in OG12 by sending them to many tournaments and they are winning matches and creating upsets and generally improving with each tournament. The only exception is Tago. He played only 8 tournaments in the last 12 months, (less than veteran PG) and going nowhere. His sponsor must be very poor compared to Sho Sasaki s.

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    Sorry for the double posting and typo errors as I found difficulty adjusting to the iPhone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Well, KLRC should be able to afford a quality fitness and stamina trainer to complement Hadi. The NSC team of experts does not seem to make any difference to BAM players. Something s not quite right when not a few of them become injury-prone with the NSC input. .......
    With Zulfadli's AJC win, KLRC should be able to get more sponsors $$$$, at least for Zul. Plus, less pressure in KLRC, as stated by the players who have gone over from BAM. Datuk Andrew doesnt seem hard up for the wins, he's rich enough.
    I think Zul will have very hard time adjusting to the many rules & regulations BAM has if he joins.

    THe main problem is the 'politicians'. Many accusations were hurled at KLRC & Datuk Andrew when Gan, TBS, OSH, LWF tried quiting BAM in 2008. Of course taken into account, Datuk Andrew would have had played his own politics behind the scenes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Well, KLRC should be able to afford a quality fitness and stamina trainer to complement Hadi. The NSC team of experts does not seem to make any difference to BAM players. Something s not quite right when not a few of them become injury-prone with the NSC input. The players have to have more tournament exposure to develop their competitive experience to be world class players. Look at Japanese players. It looks like they plan ahead to peak in OG12 by sending them to many tournaments and they are winning matches and creating upsets and generally improving with each tournament. The only exception is Tago. He played only 8 tournaments in the last 12 months, (less than veteran PG) and going nowhere. His sponsor must be very poor compared to Sho Sasaki s.
    klrc would have no problem hiring extra expert given zz recent good performances

    and it would be a goods idea if they can tie up with nsc and use their facilities .

    Anyway the main reason why zz stays in klrc was the tournament exposures given .

    and yes this is one thing that most elite players in bam lack .

    As for nsc input, yes something isn't right here.

    When players lost they asked for reports

    and after the so call experts meet up,

    they 'tamba kuat' (more workout) and well,

    what do the coaches do?

    They follow 'orders' thus when they still lost,

    the coaches still got their contract renewed LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    klrc would have no problem hiring extra expert given zz recent good performances

    and it would be a goods idea if they can tie up with nsc and use their facilities .

    Anyway the main reason why zz stays in klrc was the tournament exposures given .

    and yes this is one thing that most elite players in bam lack .

    As for nsc input, yes something isn't right here.

    When players lost they asked for reports

    and after the so call experts meet up,

    they 'tamba kuat' (more workout) and well,

    what do the coaches do?

    They follow 'orders' thus when they still lost,

    the coaches still got their contract renewed LOL
    Lose=More workout?
    If that is really what the nsc experts been inputing, then I guess BAM won't need to hire sport scientist from Uni. My 10 years old nephew can do a better job than that.

    I think KLRC is financially quite rich... I heard the founder dig gold. So if he is willing to invest hiring qualifying sport scientists, gym trainers and sport doctors. KLRC is a good palce for ZZ to stay actually. Forget about BAM, god knows who they hire to do the training programme. Just look at the players injury frequency and the CTC committee members with zero experience in competitive badminton. Gosh! but at least this committee provides some good entertainment for the public...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lcleing View Post
    Lose=More workout?If that is really what the nsc experts been inputing, then I guess BAM won't need to hire sport scientist from Uni. My 10 years old nephew can do a better job than that. I think KLRC is financially quite rich... I heard the founder dig gold. So if he is willing to invest hiring qualifying sport scientists, gym trainers and sport doctors. KLRC is a good palce for ZZ to stay actually. Forget about BAM, god knows who they hire to do the training programme. Just look at the players injury frequency and the CTC committee members with zero experience in competitive badminton. Gosh! but at least this committee provides some good entertainment for the public...
    Dig gold, you make me laugh .. in hokkien, it means nose picking Anyway klrc boss owns a few gold mine and I certainly hope he increases his budget for training The last time I heard wasn't good
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    Question Will there be more clubs competing with BAM to try to produce their own champions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    I don't know what sort of arrangement Malaysian badminton will evolve into.

    Will there be more clubs like KLRC competing with BAM to try to produce their own champions? Will such 'club' champions compete with BAM players nationally to determine who deserves the honour to represent the country in team tournaments like the Thomas/Uber/Sudirman Cups games like the Commonwealth, Asian and Olympic Games? What about individual tournaments like the SS series? I suppose the clubs will have to finance their own players.

    Will it evolve into something like the Indonesian system, with the clubs competing with PBSI players? What about truly independent players like Taufik Hidayat? I consider ZZ to be a 'club' player and not an independent player like TH or 'uncle' WCH now.

    It will take such clubs a great deal of commitment and resources to support promising players to be developed into champions. Even BAM with the government machinery behind them has found it difficult going.
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    Loh, just reading what you have posted, it can be seen that you think that KLRC is competing against BAM, and/or Indonesian clubs are competing against PBSI.

    I see things differently. I see KLRC members/ organisers as people trying to establish themselves a family of Badminton players/enthusiastic fans.

    It's similar to BadmintonCentral; we are like a family of Badminton enthusiastic fans. If we do not think that BC is competing against BWF when making Badminton suggestions/info, then we should not think that KLRC is competing against BAM when providing Badminton coaching at their club.

    We can also compare private schools versus government schools. The private schools are established not to compete against government schools; but are established because the founders thought of creating a family of students with certain objectives, whether for their own religions, cultures, languages, etc, ......

    An additional example: When a certain private tuition academy is established to aid school children in their studies, we also cannot say that that private tuition academy is competing against government/private schools.

    To me, BAM is a government institution. In Malaysia, we should be glad if we can find more private clubs which can complement BAM.

    Currently, KLRC has done well; not only that they are catering for Malaysian players, but also for some overseas players as well.
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    Hi Chris,

    Maybe you wish to take a look at the KLRC website on its mission statement:

    http://www.klrc.com.my/about.html

    "In sports, KLRC’s contribution is by way of providing sponsorship and funds (for the purpose of education or otherwise) to deserving sportspersons/individuals to assist in nurturing their capabilities.

    KLRC holds the idea that there is value in each person and therefore encourages individual development in all areas. Our mission is to foster, support, educate and encourage the development of young talents, particularly in the area of racket sports by providing funds to assist in nurturing their capabilities.

    All these are done with the hope of creating a continuous pool of talent who will one day bring pride and joy to their respective nations in an area where excellence by an individual is achievable and whereby champions are made."


    Unfortunately I can't find the KLRC's Constitution and who else are its members aside from Andrew Kam.
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    And you may wish to compare KLRC with BAM whose objectives, etc are as follows:

    http://www.bam.org.my/index.php?opti...d=96&Itemid=54

    Vision Mission and Goals

    The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) is the sport's governing body in Malaysia, affiliated to the Badminton World Federation (BWF), the Badminton Asia Confederation (BAC) and the Olympic Council of Malaysia.

    BAM is registered with the Sports Commissioner of Malaysia under the Sports Development Act 1997 of the Laws of Malaysia.

    Vision

    That badminton will be a vibrant and popular sport in Malaysia that contributes towards nation building and social development by reaching out to all Malaysians in its pursuit of glory for the country.

    Mission

    ■To have a big pool of world class players
    ■To lift the standard of women players to that of China and Korea
    ■To have a bigger pool of back-up players for the men's team and the women's team
    ■To ensure consistent success in the international arena
    ■To develop a big pool of qualified international technical officials
    ■To implement development programmes from grass-root to national level
    ■To own fully integrated training centres at both national and state level
    ■To make badminton 'the sport' of the country

    Goals

    ■To encourage, promote and control the game of Badminton in Malaysia
    ■To manage and control badminton championships and competitions organised by BAM or by any approved body on behalf of BAM, BWF or BAC
    ■To ensure observance of rules and regulations in all state, national or international competitions organised in Malaysia
    ■To settle or adjudicate all disputes of affiliates
    ■To formulate, implement and enforce such Rules, Standing Orders, Bye-Laws and Regulations made under the BAM Constitution

    Now is KLRC the same as BAM? Or KLRC wants to be at least equal to BAM?

    BTW BadmintonCentral and BWF are two entirely different entities with different interests and objectives. So the question of competition is superfluous.

    But what KLRC is now trying to do is in direct competition with BAM.

    I shall return after my Sunday badminton session.
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    I don't see the problem with KLRC competing with BAM. Whats wrong with that ?

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