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    Quote Originally Posted by weeyeh View Post
    In a single word, this is the most impressive racket I've tried since the TC700. While I have not gotten as much power from the x80, it is certainly the most stable racket and has a lot of haste. If not for the tc700, I will just as likely have gotten a few of these as my main racket.

    The purpose of my trying more rackets is to find a suitable off-day racket. The TC700 is great and all but on days that I don't play well, the TC700 can be quite frustrating being the least cooperative. To say that the tc700 places a high demand on the user cannot be understated. Effectively, I want a tc700 with a bigger sweetspot with better speed at the expense of power. The x80 exceeds those expectations in my 4hr run with players who are stronger than those I'm used to (and me).

    Now, on to the x80. The piece tested is a 4ug2 but was chosen to be the heaviest among 4 pieces of 4u. Apparently, the weight is not that much lighter than the 3u. As luck may have it, this piece has a swing weight of 41g which is very similar to my tc700 at 42g. Total weight (towel grip over cone + string) is 98g vs 101g for all my tc700.

    Clearing: The key is that the racket responds well to wrist flicks and the x80 does as well as the tc700. In fact, given its larger sweetspot, it edges out the tc700 for clears when under pressure. Here, x80 >= tc700

    Drives: tc700 and x80 are two different animals. tc700 drives hard but the x80 is fast. x80 tends to be easier for drives so I'd go for placement than power. They are too different to compare. x80 != tc700

    Netplay: both x80 and tc700 are superb here being stable rackets. Sweetspots are not important here. x80 = tc700

    Dropshots: The stiffness of both x80 and tc700 made dropshots very easy to control in both the shots speed and direction. x80 = tc700

    Smashes: This is the forte of the tc700. I floated more smashes with the x80 than the tc700 but I can put that down to not knowing the racket well enough or bad technique. Those that were acceptable, the tc700 just has much more punch. tc700 > x80

    Backhand shots in general are easier with the x80 than the tc700. Both gives a good punch but the x80 has better speed and again a larger sweetspot. In a good day, I'd say they are equal but when under lots of pressure, the speed and sweetspot size of the x80 is godsent. x80 > tc700

    Defending: Again, 2 different beast. x80 gets there faster and has the stability to get the shuttle where I want (recall that I am let down at the ArcZ for getting there but then the shaft flexes too much to lose intent). tc700 gets there too (albeit a bit later) but delivers the intention with venon. For pure defending, x80 > tc700 but for counter attacks, tc700 > x80. I'd say there are again different.

    Last but not least, feel. I'd say the x80 is somewhat muted. tc700 is chatty, so much that on a bad day, the elbow will complain. I can only tell roughly where the shot impacts the x80 but it is very comfortable despite its stiff shaft. Measured purely on feel, tc700 > x80.

    Verdict

    I doubt the x80 is really going to play second fiddle to the tc700. I appreciate its speed and stability as much as I appreciate tc700's power and feel. The offering is just different and I find myself happy to pick up either racket for now. Victor has done a really superb job with the x80. For me, this one's a keeper.
    From kwun's scans, is octablade a carbon copy of optimetric? Cheers. Btw, just pick one racquet for the match of your life, which one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triptens View Post
    From kwun's scans, is octablade a carbon copy of optimetric? Cheers. Btw, just pick one racquet for the match of your life, which one?
    No. Octablade seems to be refering to the cross-sectional design of the frame, pretty much like box-frame is for the carbonex line. Optimetric refers to a frame shape that is halfway between the oval and the isometric -- something the tc700 sports. x80 is isometric.

    Hard to tell. My best performance has to be with the tc700 but if I'm any less stable, the x80 gets play time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeyeh View Post
    In a single word, this is the most impressive racket I've tried since the TC700. While I have not gotten as much power from the x80, it is certainly the most stable racket and has a lot of haste. If not for the tc700, I will just as likely have gotten a few of these as my main racket.

    The purpose of my trying more rackets is to find a suitable off-day racket. The TC700 is great and all but on days that I don't play well, the TC700 can be quite frustrating being the least cooperative. To say that the tc700 places a high demand on the user cannot be understated. Effectively, I want a tc700 with a bigger sweetspot with better speed at the expense of power. The x80 exceeds those expectations in my 4hr run with players who are stronger than those I'm used to (and me).

    Now, on to the x80. The piece tested is a 4ug2 but was chosen to be the heaviest among 4 pieces of 4u. Apparently, the weight is not that much lighter than the 3u. As luck may have it, this piece has a swing weight of 41g which is very similar to my tc700 at 42g. Total weight (towel grip over cone + string) is 98g vs 101g for all my tc700.

    Clearing: The key is that the racket responds well to wrist flicks and the x80 does as well as the tc700. In fact, given its larger sweetspot, it edges out the tc700 for clears when under pressure. Here, x80 >= tc700

    Drives: tc700 and x80 are two different animals. tc700 drives hard but the x80 is fast. x80 tends to be easier for drives so I'd go for placement than power. They are too different to compare. x80 != tc700

    Netplay: both x80 and tc700 are superb here being stable rackets. Sweetspots are not important here. x80 = tc700

    Dropshots: The stiffness of both x80 and tc700 made dropshots very easy to control in both the shots speed and direction. x80 = tc700

    Smashes: This is the forte of the tc700. I floated more smashes with the x80 than the tc700 but I can put that down to not knowing the racket well enough or bad technique. Those that were acceptable, the tc700 just has much more punch. tc700 > x80

    Backhand shots in general are easier with the x80 than the tc700. Both gives a good punch but the x80 has better speed and again a larger sweetspot. In a good day, I'd say they are equal but when under lots of pressure, the speed and sweetspot size of the x80 is godsent. x80 > tc700

    Defending: Again, 2 different beast. x80 gets there faster and has the stability to get the shuttle where I want (recall that I am let down at the ArcZ for getting there but then the shaft flexes too much to lose intent). tc700 gets there too (albeit a bit later) but delivers the intention with venon. For pure defending, x80 > tc700 but for counter attacks, tc700 > x80. I'd say there are again different.

    Last but not least, feel. I'd say the x80 is somewhat muted. tc700 is chatty, so much that on a bad day, the elbow will complain. I can only tell roughly where the shot impacts the x80 but it is very comfortable despite its stiff shaft. Measured purely on feel, tc700 > x80.

    Verdict

    I doubt the x80 is really going to play second fiddle to the tc700. I appreciate its speed and stability as much as I appreciate tc700's power and feel. The offering is just different and I find myself happy to pick up either racket for now. Victor has done a really superb job with the x80. For me, this one's a keeper.
    hmmm good review man ... two thumbs up
    from what I read I'll definitely choose MX80 over TC700 without a doubt
    because TC700 is demanding and quite hard to handle
    I'm glad I didn't buy a TC700 when I got a chance
    instead I've waited and bought MX80
    lucky me
    TC700 is so heavy ... 101 grms wow that's too much for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by jump-smash View Post
    hmmm good review man ... two thumbs up
    from what I read I'll definitely choose MX80 over TC700 without a doubt
    because TC700 is demanding and quite hard to handle
    I'm glad I didn't buy a TC700 when I got a chance
    instead I've waited and bought MX80
    lucky me
    TC700 is so heavy ... 101 grms wow that's too much for me
    Thanks.

    The tc700 is not that heavy. 101g is the weight of the racket fully set up (string + lots of towel grip), vs 98g for the supposed 4u x80. Indeed, the tc700 is demanding on technique -- something I'm still struggling with, but with a good hit, the tc700 adds an explosive kick accelerating the shuttle very rapidly. This is adds well to wrist smashes, drives and even counter attacks. I'll rate those off days to be 10-15% of play like waking up on the wrong side fo the bed or when suffering a footwork disaster (e.g. playing badminton on an ice skating rink).

    However, to each their own. I know of folks who do not like the tc700 and those who loved it. The x80, on the other hand, is an easy racket to like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeyeh View Post

    Indeed, the tc700 is demanding on technique -- something I'm still struggling with, but with a good hit, the tc700 adds an explosive kick accelerating the shuttle very rapidly. This is adds well to wrist smashes, drives and even counter attacks. I'll rate those off days to be 10-15% of play like waking up on the wrong side fo the bed or when suffering a footwork disaster (e.g. playing badminton on an ice skating rink).

    However, to each their own. I know of folks who do not like the tc700 and those who loved it. The x80, on the other hand, is an easy racket to like.
    Are you saying x80 is easily adaptable though tc700 is a notch better but one has to bring in their A game?

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    TC700 has a really small sweetspot, so it's very unforgiving if you mistime a few shots, or when you're tired. It uses the same concept as the Vapor Trails and ArcZ - compact head, potent but small sweetspot. Speaking from experience, if you're having a bad day, any of those rackets will only make it worse.

    Sounds like the MX80 isn't one of those sorts of marginal rackets, so that's cool

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    forgive me if I'm wrong
    but IMHO if any of us are having a bad day
    then it doesn't really matter if we use TC700 or Vapour Trail or Arc-Saber Z Slash or MX80
    still we will be miss-hitting or our feet tangled
    usually I will have a bad day when I'm tired or feeling sleepy (playing at night)
    physical fitness is more important than what racket you're using CMIIW
    if you're unfit it's more likely that you'll have a bad day

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    To those using the MX80, do u all feel that the string tension is stiffer than wat is supposed to be? E.g u used to string 24lbs, but with MX80 it felt like a 26lb tension? I somehow find the tension to be more stiffer than usual, but of course i've made a change in string size (from my usual 0.68 to 0.66) as my usual strings were out of stock.

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    yes of course
    maybe it is due to 80 holes grommet
    but also because thinner string (0.65, 0.66mm) tension usually feels tighter than thicker string (example 0.68, 0.70 mm)
    so if you usually use 0.66 mm at 26 lbs
    when using 0.68 mm you the tension should be 28 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by jump-smash View Post
    forgive me if I'm wrong
    but IMHO if any of us are having a bad day
    then it doesn't really matter if we use TC700 or Vapour Trail or Arc-Saber Z Slash or MX80
    still we will be miss-hitting or our feet tangled
    usually I will have a bad day when I'm tired or feeling sleepy (playing at night)
    physical fitness is more important than what racket you're using CMIIW
    if you're unfit it's more likely that you'll have a bad day
    At the risk of polluting this thread further about the tc700, if you've used the tc700 before, you will know that it does. I owned the ArcZ and I thought it was more forgiving than the tc700. The tc700 punishes you for the slightest mistiming that most Iso or even my cab30 willingly overlook. mx80 is a saint in comparison.

    However, if you are playing well, the tc700 rewards you massively. I stuck with the tc700 when I was up against opponents much stronger than myself today. We got thrashed badly in the end but I do not imagine my performance will be any better with the mx80 or any other rackets. In fact, I surprised the opponents a little when I managed to bring the kick into play and induced a few loose returns as a result. I'm glad that I did the best I could and accepted that I lost to a way better pair.

    Of course, a bad day does not mean framing most shots.. that'll be a day to stop playing altogether and a fishing net might be the only saviour. There are days when your timing are just off by a bit due to either tiredness or other external conditions where I would really appreciate the slightly larger sweetspot and speed of the x80.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weeyeh View Post
    At the risk of polluting this thread further about the tc700, if you've used the tc700 before, you will know that it does. I owned the ArcZ and I thought it was more forgiving than the tc700. The tc700 punishes you for the slightest mistiming that most Iso or even my cab30 willingly overlook. mx80 is a saint in comparison.

    However, if you are playing well, the tc700 rewards you massively. I stuck with the tc700 when I was up against opponents much stronger than myself today. We got thrashed badly in the end but I do not imagine my performance will be any better with the mx80 or any other rackets. In fact, I surprised the opponents a little when I managed to bring the kick into play and induced a few loose returns as a result. I'm glad that I did the best I could and accepted that I lost to a way better pair.

    Of course, a bad day does not mean framing most shots.. that'll be a day to stop playing altogether and a fishing net might be the only saviour. There are days when your timing are just off by a bit due to either tiredness or other external conditions where I would really appreciate the slightly larger sweetspot and speed of the x80.
    Hey thanks so much, polluting this thread with a bit of tc700 no less. I think I'm going to give MX80 and VT80 a miss altogether and stick with my NS9900 in the meantime until higher (or improved) numbered racquets from their respective lines comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porky View Post
    To those using the MX80, do u all feel that the string tension is stiffer than wat is supposed to be? E.g u used to string 24lbs, but with MX80 it felt like a 26lb tension? I somehow find the tension to be more stiffer than usual, but of course i've made a change in string size (from my usual 0.68 to 0.66) as my usual strings were out of stock.
    Agreed ! I usually use BG66 at 28lbs on my racquets but for the MX80, it is BG66 Ultimax at 26lbs and it feels like 28lbs !

    The advantage of the MX80 is that you can use a thinner string at a lower tension and you get the same effect of higher tension. This means you get better feel and repulsion (due to the thinner string) and it will last longer (due to lower tension).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porky View Post
    To those using the MX80, do u all feel that the string tension is stiffer than wat is supposed to be? E.g u used to string 24lbs, but with MX80 it felt like a 26lb tension? I somehow find the tension to be more stiffer than usual, but of course i've made a change in string size (from my usual 0.68 to 0.66) as my usual strings were out of stock.
    Quote Originally Posted by teoky View Post
    Agreed ! I usually use BG66 at 28lbs on my racquets but for the MX80, it is BG66 Ultimax at 26lbs and it feels like 28lbs !

    The advantage of the MX80 is that you can use a thinner string at a lower tension and you get the same effect of higher tension. This means you get better feel and repulsion (due to the thinner string) and it will last longer (due to lower tension).
    I felt the same as well. Strung my x80 with VS-850 at 24lbs but the string bed feel like is higher than 24lbs. Probably it is due to the new 80 hole system.

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    You think that's crazy, you should try a 94 hole Forza!

    Strung one of those at 26lbs and it was like hitting the shuttle with a plank of wood.
    Last edited by Maklike Tier; 03-07-2011 at 08:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklike Tier View Post
    You think that's crazy, you should try a 94 hole Forza!

    Strung one of those at 26lbs and it was like hitting the shuttle with a plank of wood.
    err I think it's 96 holes instead of 94 ... CMIIW

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Silver- View Post
    I felt the same as well. Strung my x80 with VS-850 at 24lbs but the string bed feel like is higher than 24lbs. Probably it is due to the new 80 hole system.
    No wonder i felt the strings too tight for me. I strung my mx80 with bg66 um at 25lbs. I normally use bg66sharp at 25lbs. I will probably try bg66 sharp at 23lbs the next time

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    Quote Originally Posted by jump-smash View Post
    err I think it's 96 holes instead of 94 ... CMIIW
    Yeah thanks Mr.Pedantic.

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