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12-22-2010, 10:20 AM #52
12-22-2010, 10:24 AM #53
If an outsider may respectfully pose a question: Is the lack of ambition and analytic thinking a deficiency in the coaching system, or is it exactly what the coaching system picks for candidates?
I don't know the Malaysian system at all. But in some sports systems there is a bias for picking players who are more subservient and obediant. The coach likes that the trainee does whatever he is told and treats coaches words with reverence. But later they act surprised that these kids have no "fire in the belly". The docile perfect student has not become the type of self-confident, independent thinker who becomes World Champion. Is it possible that BAM needs to pick a few 'rebel'-types for training?
12-22-2010, 10:26 AM #54
12-22-2010, 10:32 AM #55
Here lies the Paradox in BAM.
The Rebel in his youth Misbun demands discipline and players to fall into line.
The 2012 squad was initially formed in 2005ish. 20ish players came for the selection. The selector took almost 2 months to make up his mind and finally unable to remember to quality of the players that showed up decided to enlist all of them into the squad.
after 3-4 years this Ex National Jagoh with zero results as a coach from any1 of his players, and plenty of politiking was made to become the new chief coach of BAM MS.
And this is just at coaching/mid -lower management level
12-22-2010, 10:41 AM #56
12-22-2010, 10:43 AM #57
Being a baddie player myself, it's true that there are players who lack the analytical skills. I won't categorized them as dumbs but they are just slow and "not-so-intelligent". Badminton is a game requires strong analytical skills and quick to make split second decision in the dying situation during a highly tense match. Having said so, I'm not too sure if all these lacking skills in our "junior" or "elite back-up" players can be overcome by determination and disciplined both on and off court...
I am less skeptical if outsiders claim they (those players) are lacking the fire to succeed. Who doesn't want to be the next LCW? still BOLEH?
12-22-2010, 10:44 AM #58
Talent is part of it me thinks. Seems the more talented ones chose to specialize in MD. After seeing how their seniors are doing, I wouldnt be surprised. Teo Kok Siang used to be MS. Another one of the 3 pairs too, GWS I think.
Like ye333 said, cannot be all lazy(err, maybe not so smart player lah), then how come MD back up seem motivated, work hard. It's not just the competition in MD or lack of in MS. The muskeeters, after all their years of trying, dont think they will ever make it. Unlike their peers, juniors in MD, XD who will win something every year, at least some light in the tunnel to think that they will make it some day.
Rebel? Like Ah Koo?
12-22-2010, 10:45 AM #59
12-22-2010, 10:48 AM #60
No choice... keeping finding the hidden gem... and explore the next LCW... BOLEH
12-22-2010, 11:00 AM #61
12-22-2010, 11:00 AM #62
So you are saying they are more talented than junior players from other countries? Honestly I don't think there is much difference... Players like HH or TH excelled at the senior level with "some talent and decent effort".
I think the problem here is not that those "back-up" players are not as good as LCW... It is clear that they are not as talented as LCW or HH, so it should be expected that they cannot reach as high.
The real question is, why cannot they reach the level of not-so-talented players as, say, OEH, or more importantly, why do they even lose the desire to do so? There can be many reasons.
For example, is it because LCW is too good? Thinking about it, I realize that LYB often say things like "CJ and CL are at the same level as LD" (and got laughed at by fans), but I have never heard any MAS coach say similar things to encourage their players. If the teacher put all praises to the best student and ignore others, it is almost certain other students will stop working.
12-22-2010, 11:23 AM #63
maybe it has something to do with mas population of players starting from the grassroots.
there ain't many and selections for bjss/bam training was based on tournament results and not to mention other things..
if there were no priority given to talent over physically fitter players then whoever took over them has to produce some magic..
and if such magic can produce results, we won't be here discussing ..lol
Last edited by pBmMalaysia; 12-22-2010 at 11:29 AM.
12-22-2010, 05:23 PM #64
If according to LCW young players dont understand their sport well enough
to know why they won and why they lost they must really be lost.
LCW and WCH always had the initiative and motivation to look for answers to puzzles
I personally know 1 or 2 of the doubles players, and they are always talking shop and how they
can uplift their game and move up,it is surprisingly different.
Last edited by Bbn; 12-22-2010 at 05:27 PM.
12-22-2010, 07:44 PM #65
I think jug8man, ye333 and Fidget have done a very good job in underlying the problem of MAS MS backups. I applaud them for constructing some very sound and logical arguments in addressing the problems unlike some posters who just throw in the mocks for the sake of mocking. Basically I don't think the backups are lazy. However, like jug8man highlighted, they are probably not as hungry as the other youngsters from the other countries(i.e they tried to have a life outside of badminton while the others don't have a choice).
I was told that getting into colleges and graduating from them are not that difficult at all in Malaysia as they have tons of public and private institutes around the country. This explain why the youngsters thought that they could take things easy and always have something to fall back to. In China, those who don't make the cut have to end up as pizza delivery boys/girls. CBA might have produced 5 out of 10 top players in the world but they might have also make another group of people redundant simultaneously, which are 100 times of the size of what they produced in the badminton world.
Last edited by lcleing; 12-22-2010 at 07:56 PM.
12-23-2010, 04:38 AM #66
But yeah, I have heard the Msia young doubles players, explaining to parents & relatives, the specifics of the game, while their team mates are on court. Rojak language aside, I'll say they can commentate better than Hasbullah Awang, lol.
12-23-2010, 04:45 AM #67
12-23-2010, 04:56 AM #68