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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    BAM is a gomen body with too much money, those who run BAM only interested to make sure their seats are not taken by others.

    Do they serve the country? NAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    lol so you don't i take your seat

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    so how worst can this outcome turn into??

    1)MS join nusa mahsuri maybe pull ramdan with him
    2)all bam players go for press conference and to trigger mass walkout
    3)LCW join cbl and hire personal china coach and train in china for another 2 yrs by himself
    4)Mass bam sponsors pull out
    5)BAM close shop
    6)PM come out to speak up and pull back every one and being hero..
    7) topic closed with happy ending !!

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    stranger things has happened.. this might actually become a reality hahahahah
    Quote Originally Posted by yurimaster2010 View Post
    so how worst can this outcome turn into??

    1)MS join nusa mahsuri maybe pull ramdan with him
    2)all bam players go for press conference and to trigger mass walkout
    3)LCW join cbl and hire personal china coach and train in china for another 2 yrs by himself
    4)Mass bam sponsors pull out
    5)BAM close shop
    6)PM come out to speak up and pull back every one and being hero..
    7) topic closed with happy ending !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurimaster2010 View Post
    so how worst can this outcome turn into??

    1)MS join nusa mahsuri maybe pull ramdan with him
    2)all bam players go for press conference and to trigger mass walkout
    3)LCW join cbl and hire personal china coach and train in china for another 2 yrs by himself
    4)Mass bam sponsors pull out
    5)BAM close shop
    6)PM come out to speak up and pull back every one and being hero..
    7) topic closed with happy ending !!
    Very interesting story line that can put into film. Almost all comedies ends with a happy ending.

    Sad to tell you that this ain't a production show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yurimaster2010 View Post
    so how worst can this outcome turn into??

    1)MS join nusa mahsuri maybe pull ramdan with him
    2)all bam players go for press conference and to trigger mass walkout
    3)LCW join cbl and hire personal china coach and train in china for another 2 yrs by himself
    4)Mass bam sponsors pull out
    5)BAM close shop
    6)PM come out to speak up and pull back every one and being hero..
    7) topic closed with happy ending !!
    Not quite possible coz "national interest" should be above everything and everyone... boleh tak?

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    [QUOTE=yurimaster2010;1596311]so how worst can this outcome turn into??

    1)MS join nusa mahsuri maybe pull ramdan with him
    2)all bam players go for press conference and to trigger mass walkout
    3)LCW join cbl and hire personal china coach and train in china for another 2 yrs by himself
    4)Mass bam sponsors pull out
    5)BAM close shop
    6)r0smah come out to speak up and pull back every one and being hero..
    7) topic closed with happy ending !!

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    That would be hitting rock bottom.

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    [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]It's[/COLOR] true. Without BAM, LCW is nobody today.In the past, every coaches who tried to challenge or question the association, there is only one ending-sack,terminate,quit or resign. Everyone knows that the system is at flaw and it is a wonder that we could still produce player like Chong Wei. Similarly, BAM coaches who did not even finish their formal education but yet manage to train the national squad and produce results. Where is the logic? It comes with a price,where there are dozens of talented players who over trained and injured before they have a chance to develop further.Does it mean the system and coaches education (knowledge) is no longer important in producing future champions?

    Dato James was Misbun's senior and had observed his rebellious self when he was player. The impression is in the mind. Generally MS's training is very tough physically without following scientific knowledge of sports. He follows his heart and his own free style. When the training programs were question, they (all the BAM coaches) cannot answer as they have never been taught before nor do they care to learn. They use the traditional way, "it's all in the coaches mind". Hence, when the training programs were questioned, indirectly it pointed at the coach's professionalism. In his position, can he accept criticism towards his training method? No way. He should be right or else how could he produce LCW? That's whathe thought.That's what the public thought. How could the officials interfere and question his credibility as a coach?

    Having said that, it is difficult to change the system as many people inside BAM will not be able to adapt to the changes. MS is one of them. Of course,the upper management needs to rationalize their demands and not to put over expectation on LCW with the "Must win, Have to win" demands.

    For those who don't know, high performance director Dato James Selvaraj was a former national player and national coach.BAM secretary Mr Ng Chin cai was a former back-up players in th 80s. I'm not sure who LCW is pointing finger at since he mentioned that "the official know nothing about badminton".

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    Teori konspirasi di sebalik kisah Misbun


    Misbun Sidek - tidak lekang daripada kontroversi sejak muncul selaku antara pemain yang mewarnai arena badminton negara.

    Kenapa dia letak jawatan selaku jurulatih di BAM?

    Benarkah ada tangan-tangan ghaib di sebalik kisah ini?

    Aku dimaklumkan ada individu tertentu yang rapat dengan Lee Chong Wei bermain catur, menyusun strategi.

    Kalau Chong Wei pun keluar dari BAM, Koo Kien Keat dan Tan Boon Heong dikhabarkan ikut jejak yang sama. Maknanya prospek pingat kita di temasya Olimpik di London akan berlatih di luar bumbung BAM.



    Loose cannon tukang pegang piala...itu aje kerja dia...

    Kalau begitu, adakah elaun Road To London akan disalurkan kepada Misbun, Chong Wei dan lain-lain? Atau MSN berkeras hanya menyalurkan dana jika individu terbabit kekal di bawah naungan BAM?

    Cakap-cakap mengatakan Misbun tidak berpuas hati kerana anaknya Misbun Ramadan tidak di bawah jagaannya agak janggal. Sebabnya Ramadan berada di bawah bimbingan Hendrawan, seorang yang pandai membaca taktik, macam Morten Frost. Lagipun Misbun sebagai bapa boleh latih Ramadan bila-bila, khususnya di gelanggang di belakang rumah mereka di Taman UK Perdana...tengah malam, siang, pagi, tengah hari, bila-bila...

    Aku harap isu ini tidak berpanjangan hingga membabitkan Datin Paduka Rosmah Mansor...aku tak gemar kalau orang besar masuk campur...

    Aku juga tak gemar orang yang ada kena-mengena dengan orang besar dan VVVVIP menangguk di air yang keruh...kalau ada, akan aku dedahkan...

    Konspirasi ini bertujuan check-mate BAM dan Nadzmi Salleh...

    Kalau Misbun dan Chong Wei sah tidak lagi sebumbung dengan orang di BAM, MSN boleh jimat hampir RM1 juta untuk tampung gaji, bajet latihan dan bonus untuk mereka berdua..

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    Conspiracy theories behind the story Misbun
    Misbun Sidek - never failed of controversy since emerged as among the players that have colored the nation badminton arena.

    Why he resigned as coach at BAM?

    Is it true that there are hidden hands behind this story?

    I am told there is a certain individual meetings with Lee Chong Wei to play chess, to strategize.

    If Chong Wei out of the BAM, Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong is rumored to follow the same trail. This means our medal prospects at the Olympics in London will practice outside the roof of BAM.


    Loose cannon builders hold the trophy ... he was working aje ...

    If so, whether the allowance of London Road to be extended to Misbun, Chong Wei and others? Or MSN persisted only if the individual channel funds remain under the auspices of BAM?

    Misbun said talks are not satisfied because his Ramadan Misbun not under his control a bit awkward. Why Ramadan is under the guidance of Hendrawan, a man who read the tactics, like Morten Frost. Furthermore, parents can be trained Misbun as any of Ramadan, especially in the field behind their house in Taman UK Prime ... middle of the night, day, morning, noon, at any ...

    I hope these issues are not extended to involve Datin Paduka Mansor ... I do not like to intervene if the big ...

    I also do not like people who have nothing to do with the large and VVVVIP fish in muddy water ... if there is, I will not expose ...

    Conspiracy aimed at check-mate ... BAM and Nadzmi Salleh

    If Misbun and Chong Wei is no longer valid sebumbung with the BAM, MSN can save almost RM1 million to accommodate the salaries, training budgets and the bonus for both of them ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by racquetor View Post
    [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]It's[/COLOR] true. Without BAM, LCW is nobody today.In the past, every coaches who tried to challenge or question the association, there is only one ending-sack,terminate,quit or resign. Everyone knows that the system is at flaw and it is a wonder that we could still produce player like Chong Wei. Similarly, BAM coaches who did not even finish their formal education but yet manage to train the national squad and produce results. Where is the logic? It comes with a price,where there are dozens of talented players who over trained and injured before they have a chance to develop further.Does it mean the system and coaches education (knowledge) is no longer important in producing future champions?

    Dato James was Misbun's senior and had observed his rebellious self when he was player. The impression is in the mind. Generally MS's training is very tough physically without following scientific knowledge of sports. He follows his heart and his own free style. When the training programs were question, they (all the BAM coaches) cannot answer as they have never been taught before nor do they care to learn. They use the traditional way, "it's all in the coaches mind". Hence, when the training programs were questioned, indirectly it pointed at the coach's professionalism. In his position, can he accept criticism towards his training method? No way. He should be right or else how could he produce LCW? That's whathe thought.That's what the public thought. How could the officials interfere and question his credibility as a coach?

    Having said that, it is difficult to change the system as many people inside BAM will not be able to adapt to the changes. MS is one of them. Of course,the upper management needs to rationalize their demands and not to put over expectation on LCW with the "Must win, Have to win" demands.

    For those who don't know, high performance director Dato James Selvaraj was a former national player and national coach.BAM secretary Mr Ng Chin cai was a former back-up players in th 80s. I'm not sure who LCW is pointing finger at since he mentioned that "the official know nothing about badminton".
    I was surprised that few people in the national team knew who James was.

    He was Thomas Cupper in 1976, several times Selangor champion in singles and doubles and if I remember rightly

    national champion too . His training methods in his time are actually no different from Misbun, it was only the batch after 1988 and 1992 (that includes Rashid) that were exposed to China methods under YY,Han Jian, Fang Kai Xiang etc. In 90s there was also Frost,Indra Gunawan etc.

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    I've once had this kinda unreasonable loyalty... it's a dilemma... my ex-bosses have been very kind to me... giving me every chances to grow in the company... due to feeling very grateful and loyal to them, my thoughts on moving on to achieve my dream career were numerous times ended as a longing dream... Until one day I finally got the nerve to finally leave... I'm glad they understand cos even if I stayed on, there will be no more career development, thus they supported my decision.

    Back to current scenario, BAM wants to tie LCW + MS but they don't want to compromise... perhaps it's too early to say so but I just feel that way, sadly... perhaps MS is eccentric in his training method but I do believe there's more to it and only he knows... we can only predict and speculate... yet, the truth will only remain hidden... will PM says something? if so, will it make a different?

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    {“ It is a very sad period for him . I think it is not fair for anyone to make any conclusion and speculation on Misbun’ s resignation .
    “ I spoke to him and I know that a lot of things led to his resignation. He is hurt .
    “ He is a good person and a coach . But as a player he made his own mistakes before . At the BAM , we are looking into ways to strengthen our programmes.
    “ At the cemetery , Misbun told me that I could help him .
    “ I am ready to do so and we have made arrangements to meet each other . ”]

    James already knew what's going on but not sure others will share his understanding on the matter. Esp. the President, after defensive statement... tsk tsk tsk...

    @eaglehelang: early today mood very shiny but now tired already, running here and there in the office...

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    This may sound irrelevant but I think it is quite useful for everyone having to work with co-workers to note :

    Human Resource Management has 4 underlying principles called the 4 "C's.

    HR will evaluate people based on :

    1) Competence-do one's job well
    2) Commitment-not only do well but also work hard and be responsible
    3) Compliance-adhere to all rules and guidelines set
    4) Collaboration-get along with colleagues and co-workers and communicate and not exist in a vacuum

    Failure to display the 4 C's may mean that your working days in your workplace is numbered.Try to imagine having to
    work with people who do not pay attention to the 4 "Cs" and you can predict a competent management's evaluation and
    decision on that person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    This may sound irrelevant but I think it is quite useful for everyone having to work with co-workers to note :

    Human Resource Management has 4 underlying principles called the 4 "C's.

    HR will evaluate people based on :

    1) Competence-do one's job well
    2) Commitment-not only do well but also work hard and be responsible
    3) Compliance-adhere to all rules and guidelines set
    4) Collaboration-get along with colleagues and co-workers and communicate and not exist in a vacuum

    Failure to display the 4 C's may mean that your working days in your workplace is numbered.Try to imagine having to
    work with people who do not pay attention to the 4 "Cs" and you can predict a competent management's evaluation and
    decision on that person.
    Why are you posting this unless there is a hidden message related to this issue?

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    I think Anwar will become a hero in the end. lol.

    A good chance for Najib to look good before the big 'E'? Money can buy anyone u reckon?

    Yes, everyone remembered Misbun was the hero when he went AWOL and went into the finals.

    What a great drama and ending story.

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    Fellows, do you think the following are connected in some way?

    1. Misbun was asked to take charge of elite players Daren Liew, Tan Chun Seang, Chan Kwong Beng, Chong Wei Feng besides Hafiz Hashim and LCW when the new Training and Coaching committee was formed in September 2010 with a new high performance director in charge.

    2. In December 2010 LCW came out of the blue to blast the same elite players for ..........failing to perform.

    Does it look like para 1 communicated with para 2 which we now see the consequences? Was LCW bitter that MS was being 'screwed' by the Training and Coaching committee for degrading the elite players' performance, as his fury and frustration seem to betray?

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    Perhaps, the ideal solution is to make MS the sole coach for LCW and take away all the other elite players from him. This way we can have a winning Siamese twin and any separation or addition or even questioning is forbidden.
    The trouble with this is when LCW goes or retires so will MS and so will the nation be left with elite players who were denied the services of Malaysia's best coach.

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