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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Comment: Compromise and be prepared to pay, BAM

    http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/3...#ixzz1AnxzUTyG
    Sounds like Datuk Z........

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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    Sounds like Datuk Z........
    Not too sure. IMHO, I feel that he has made some good points, but the ball is now with the big boss in BAM.

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    Wow, imagine your work-colleague telling the boss that he/she only wants to work on projects that are guaranteed success

    and which she/he likes. Let others have the crappy ones as he/she is entitled to first bite!Sure makes his/her job so easy.

    No wonder Frost said 10 years ago " The mark of a great coach is not producing great players from already talented ones,

    but in making ordinary players into good ones".

    If we apply this elitist rule I think only 5 % of youngsters here will qualify for tertiary education, the rest can drop put and be coolies and there will be no middle management or executives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Let's open a BET on the outcome of this sage.
    1. BAM kowtow (suck thumb)
    2. BAM + Misbun + LCW: compromise on certain issues and some minor changes (re-org)
    3. Misbun + LCW: Just walk away and form a seperate BOLEH entity, and Misbun is also LCW's agent/spokeperson to reap all sponsors, esp Li Ning

    BOLEH tak?
    My heart (BOLEH jimbo) hopes for No.2 (win-win for everyone) but my brain (rational?) opts for No.3... boleh tak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Comment: Compromise and be prepared to pay, BAM

    http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/3...#ixzz1AnxzUTyG

    MISBUN Sidek will only rejoin the BA of Malaysia (BAM) if the association bows to his demands. Is this the way a respected world class coach should behave?

    It's decision day today when BAM members deliberate on Misbun's demands before deciding on the next course of action.

    Going by the heart-to-heart talk between Misbun and BAM president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Salleh on Sunday, the former will only return if the association makes the necessary changes he wants to the coaching set-up which was reshuffled last August.

    The bottom-line is that Misbun only wants to coach a selected few which includes World No 1 Lee Chong Wei and his son Ramdan Misbun.

    BAM is also in a difficult position as Chong Wei has threatened to quit the national team if Misbun is not coaxed into extending his contract as coach.

    There's no denying Chong Wei has improved tremendously under Misbun and the shuttler believes only Misbun can guide him to the world and Olympic titles.

    Misbun shocked the badminton fraternity by tendering his resignation letter on New Year's eve claiming that he has had enough of badminton.

    But the truth emerged during Sunday's meeting with Nadzmi.

    BAM must remain firm in this matter as, if it bows to Misbun's demands now, then it would be setting an unhealthy precedence.

    If Misbun, as a national coach cannot accept BAM's coaching structure, then he should go elsewhere. And if Chong Wei wants to follow his coach then he should go too.

    But it is a tricky issue for BAM as, if Chong Wei's leaves, it could lose millions from sponsorships.

    Whether BAM likes it or not, Chong Wei is its selling power in terms of securing sponsorship deals.

    But if BAM chooses to be positive, the money saved on bonuses and other expenditure on Misbun and Chong Wei, could be utilised for the young players.

    There is no point in keeping those who want things only their way. Misbun and Chong Wei should be thankful to BAM who made them what they are today.

    BAM has produced many world class players before this and for sure, it will be able to groom new talent in the same mould as Chong Wei.

    BAM, please make no compromises that will hurt the future of the game.
    the writer obviously puts words into misbun's mouth

    just look at the first sentence

    i bet this guy does not know anything about badminton,

    not to mention malaysian badminton

    and he sure put bam in a much uncomfortable position.

    there is no such thing as bow or no bow,

    i don't see this as a difficult job for bam president and being a corporate figure,

    i am sure he has gone through more worst than this

    really, this writer is the kind of people that put oil when there is fire

    and he is from nst? of course reporters reporters …

    keep more of this people newspaper sure sells well.lol

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    any news of the outcome of BAM "MASSIVE" meetings?

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    imagine the same happens in China. some coach says that to LYB.

    LYB will make sure he will never be able to coach anywhere in China for the rest of his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    imagine the same happens in China. some coach says that to LYB.

    LYB will make sure he will never be able to coach anywhere in China for the rest of his life.
    This sounds like communist... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    imagine the same happens in China. some coach says that to LYB.

    LYB will make sure he will never be able to coach anywhere in China for the rest of his life.
    that's why li mao went overseas until today

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    imagine the same happens in China. some coach says that to LYB.

    LYB will make sure he will never be able to coach anywhere in China for the rest of his life.
    That's why most world country are democracy... not communism!

    I think LYB might has to take a bullet to his head!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    Ng Chin Chai took the blow on behalf of Datuk N.

    Misspoon & Datuklee has openly stated the problem has raised long time ago & not just recently. Ng Chin Chai just took over office not long ago.

    CONCLUSION = Datuk N. survived another war unhurt using his new found shield.
    no, you are not right

    old problem (before august) still there and came the new ones (august till present)

    whether the new ones can be settled or not or they include the old ones we do not know

    unless bam review to the public after their council meeting, supposed to be today

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    imagine the same happens in China. some coach says that to LYB.

    LYB will make sure he will never be able to coach anywhere in China for the rest of his life.
    If every coach only wants to coach talented players China will have no more MS players after LD.
    and every coach would want to start as part of an already winning formula, to be Taufik's coach at 16, and Ithanon Ratchanok's coach at 15.

    It is all contrary to a basic fundamental of what education and training is all about, and i think it commonly occurs in people
    not exposed formally to this principle.A coach is also a manager in many ways, it's not all technical at certain levels.

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    Maybe the tables are turned now. The old days when coaches were effectively bosses who were given a free hand but did not produce enough depth and breadth and numbers in players of national level are gone. Any changing of the guard is traumatic and always resisted. Is Malaysia going the way of the Chinese and Koreans?

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    Just let those ungrateful jokers go, no one is indispensable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Comment: Compromise and be prepared to pay, BAM

    http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/3...#ixzz1AnxzUTyG

    MISBUN Sidek will only rejoin the BA of Malaysia (BAM) if the association bows to his demands. Is this the way a respected world class coach should behave?

    It's decision day today when BAM members deliberate on Misbun's demands before deciding on the next course of action.

    Going by the heart-to-heart talk between Misbun and BAM president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Salleh on Sunday, the former will only return if the association makes the necessary changes he wants to the coaching set-up which was reshuffled last August.

    The bottom-line is that Misbun only wants to coach a selected few which includes World No 1 Lee Chong Wei and his son Ramdan Misbun.

    BAM is also in a difficult position as Chong Wei has threatened to quit the national team if Misbun is not coaxed into extending his contract as coach.

    There's no denying Chong Wei has improved tremendously under Misbun and the shuttler believes only Misbun can guide him to the world and Olympic titles.

    Misbun shocked the badminton fraternity by tendering his resignation letter on New Year's eve claiming that he has had enough of badminton.

    But the truth emerged during Sunday's meeting with Nadzmi.

    BAM must remain firm in this matter as, if it bows to Misbun's demands now, then it would be setting an unhealthy precedence.

    If Misbun, as a national coach cannot accept BAM's coaching structure, then he should go elsewhere. And if Chong Wei wants to follow his coach then he should go too.

    But it is a tricky issue for BAM as, if Chong Wei's leaves, it could lose millions from sponsorships.

    Whether BAM likes it or not, Chong Wei is its selling power in terms of securing sponsorship deals.

    But if BAM chooses to be positive, the money saved on bonuses and other expenditure on Misbun and Chong Wei, could be utilised for the young players.

    There is no point in keeping those who want things only their way. Misbun and Chong Wei should be thankful to BAM who made them what they are today.

    BAM has produced many world class players before this and for sure, it will be able to groom new talent in the same mould as Chong Wei.
    BAM, please make no compromises that will hurt the future of the game.
    After reading this, the reporter who wrote this either someone who was paid just to write to fill in the empty spaces provided to him in the newspaper without doing some homework first or has no idea of what he is writing in regards with the Malaysia Badminton history.

    No doubt BAM has also played important role in the development of Malaysia Badminton scenario, but looking by the current achievement, recognition and income, rather than Datuk Misbun and Datuk LCW should be thankfull to BAM, it's BAM should be thankfull to them because it is from all their sacrifice and success that they gone through and achieved for this many years makes BAM existence as a sports body under NSC still relevant and importantly, all Malaysian through out this globe still can be proud that the Malaysia flag "Jalur gemilang" is still able to be flag at any badminton championship podium because Datuk LCW with the guidance of Datuk Misbun makes it possible.

    Regardless what critic Datuk Misbun labelled for his "unprofessional" demands that seems to be selffish by certain quarters, if we look into a more bigger picture into it, he's actually putting his pride in the line of fire just to make sure that the future BAM badminton developments is in the path of success and at the same time still can contribute into developing worldclass players by training only who he thinks has the potential as he confidently beleive in it. This is true since his coaching approach has already been proven by making Datuk LCW a successfull player who we knew now and therefore it is logic for him to make such demands as he thinks that is the right thing to do for the betterment of Malaysia Badminton future.

    If BAM is unable to swallow their own pride and think that the remaining coaches that they have can produce what Datuk Misbun did and more importantly, architiect the correct path for future successfull Malaysia player by ignoring the signifficant input from Datuk Misbun, then the next best thing they need to do is buy a shot gun each and shoot themselves, rethink what they're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexyong View Post
    Just let those ungrateful jokers go, no one is indispensable.
    I think most BCers want them to go. But I am beginning to think this is all bluff because frankly I doubt they have the guts and the savvy to be on their own. For a start LCW and MS will have to agree on what percentage of LCW's winnings or sponsorship monies go to his coach. Now when it comes down to this things can turn ugly. The best of friends are oftentimes at each other's throat when things don't work out. MS may walk out on LCW if his demand for 50% is turned down.
    I am sure some of you have been in businesses with partners. If you remember the lawyers who help you and your partners to set up your company will always advise against a partnership and instead it is best to have one boss and one owner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexyong View Post
    Just let those ungrateful jokers go, no one is indispensable.
    that will be no one other than you

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