It's time for Misbun Sidek to work for Malaysian Badminton without BAM

[Bbn]

I think outstanding players and coaches should each be awarded with a company car with chaffeur to show

how they are appreciated.Maybe have their own dining area,special meals and VIP toilets and air-conditioned courts to separate them from the ordinary players.

After all the money is only from the government and ASN funds like Maybank and Proton.

This special VIP and preferential treatment will inspire lower rung players to emulate them,

what's the point of holding datukships in our feudal society when they are expected to be treated like ordinary people.

This is also the practice in our business world.

[Bbn]

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It has been mentioned many times before that what Misbun Sidek and Lee Chong Wei have done for Malaysia wasn't fully appreciated by BAM. Appreciation was only given when LCW won a title/medal.

When this resignation of Misbun and the win of Lee Chong Wei at the 2010 SSMF happened at the same time, I wonder if Misbun received any credit from BAM for LCW's good performance.

LCW has given appreciation to Misbun (as reported earlier when he mentioned that Misbun was in touch with him via phone throughout the whole tournament).
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True, true after every achievement they should be treated to a sumptious dinner at public expense and given a certificate of appreciation. After all they are not paid or financially rewarded for playing and are using their own pocket money to finance their ventures or are only paid peanuts .
They should each be given Millions as reward and also land as their achievements exceed those who won the Thomas Cup in 1992, its only fair.Boleh?

[OneToughBirdie]

No not double standard. no where near apples and oranges

1 has contributed much while another has only 'recieved'

1 had the leverage to negotiate, the other clearly did not

1 has been up front about their intention... the other was.....

There was alot more into the TCS case that even public would not side on his case.

Of course, no 2 incidents are the same, but the intent to go independent exists in the TCS case, right or am I wrong?

[OneToughBirdie]

In fact these 3 are very well rewarded, in particular LCW, far more than their coaches, other players, and everyone of the BAM officials. Do you know what percent of all the total cash rewards from sources other than from tournament winnings are pocketed by LCW? In fact the other players may be having 'red eye' disease from jealousy and the puny winnings they get when compared with LCW.

I am sure none of the players would be foolish enough to choose a profit-sharing plan to what they are being rewarded now. This is because no badminton association makes any profits and they are kept afloat from sponsorship money and government grants (which are actually bailouts or tax-payers money).

Epak, well said.

[taneepak]

What he says makes sense http://www.thestar.com.my/sports/sto...417&sec=sports.
I am beginning to have doubts about the viability of MS/LCW going their own way although it is ideal in principle. This is because both MS/LCW have been used to all backup and support services provided to them without the distraction of negotiating and meeting with sponsors, administrative duties, 'head-shrinker' and massage services, etc., etc. Being on your own requires some management and administrative experience and skills besides some expertise for the bottom line. Of course they can engage a professional manager and their own staff.
The most difficult time will be the transition and this will certainly affect LCW's preparation for the 2012 London Olympics.

[eaglehelang]

http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info...n&pg=su_04.htm Jailani's point of view
http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info...n&pg=su_01.htm intv with another BAM exco

[pjswift]

I think outstanding players and coaches should each be awarded with a company car with chaffeur to show

how they are appreciated.Maybe have their own dining area,special meals and VIP toilets and air-conditioned courts to separate them from the ordinary players.

After all the money is only from the government and ASN funds like Maybank and Proton.

This special VIP and preferential treatment will inspire lower rung players to emulate them,

what's the point of holding datukships in our feudal society when they are expected to be treated like ordinary people.

This is also the practice in our business world.

Don't be silly.
What MS wants is the freedom to decide how he wants to nurture his players to world class success.
You can keep the useless material, status showing perks.

[Bbn]

Mind your language and be civil, I can tell you also to keep your comments to yourself.

Pls refrain from being personal in your engagements as i think your mentality qualifies you for an ignore candidate.

Many of us here are educated and civilised people and possess integrity and understand the context of what is discussed.

Pls keep your opinions to yourself unless you have anything intelligent to say.

When you dont agree with someone else just express your own views instead of

launching an attack.

[pjswift]

I may be wrong but I have a feeling LCW is trying to "influence" BAM to meet Misbun's demands. Why is LCW so demonstrably firm in building a brick wall around Misbun and "imposing" conditions that amounts to a challenge to BAM's authority? If BAM were to cave in it could mean its collapse as other coaches will start to question "why Misbun, not us?" and will bring BAM into disrepute for being double standard favouring Prima Donas at the expense of the national interest.
I feel the best solution is to bite the bullet and let Misbun and LCW if he so chooses go.
BTW, why is LCW giving people the impression that he is still incapable of being No. 1 without Misbun? Now what happens to LCW should Misbun be not be around? Isn't he a man onto to himself who cannot function without his mentor?

Why do you think LYB have to arrange for TXH to guide LD in the quest for Olympic gold? Don't CHN have enough good coaches to help LD deliver?
Better still, why don't you suggest that LD plays in tournaments without coaches?

It's obvious that the reason BAM has to rethink MS 's resignation is because of LCW. He walks out, Yonex walks out, you think Proton will want to or have the money to support the rest of BAM with no results?

By the way, LCW does not pocket money, everything he earns is the reward for the cumulative efforts and sacrifices he (and MS ) puts in. You gotta ask why other MAS MS can't do it yet.Maybe if they can match LCW's discipline and diligence, they may. It's tough to live up to it. If it were so easy, any player can be WR1 for even a week.

[Bbn]

Don't be silly.
What MS wants is the freedom to decide how he wants to nurture his players to world class success.
You can keep the useless material, status showing perks.

Thank you for your unsolicited advice but having read your posts i have no wish to engage in any dialogue with you. If you continue your ways I will simply add you to ignore.

[pjswift]

Mind your language and be civil, I can tell you also to keep your comments to yourself.

Pls refrain from being personal in your engagements as i think your mentality qualifies you for an ignore candidate.

Many of us here are educated and civilised people and possess integrity and understand the context of what is discussed.

Pls keep your opinions to yourself unless you have anything intelligent to say.

When you dont agree with someone else just express your own views instead of

launching an attack.

Pardon me for being less educated, civilised and lacking in comprehension.
But I can assure you I am not lacking in integrity.
Your post borders on sarcasm and ridicule. Maybe you got carried away.Maybe you were sincere. I'm just giving you feedback I perceive it otherwise before you get carried away even more.
But i must say most of your posts are excellent. So my apologies for the unintended offense.

[Bbn]

Pardon me for being less educated, civilised and lacking in comprehension.
But I can assure you I am not lacking in integrity.
Your post borders on sarcasm and ridicule. Maybe you got carried away.Maybe you were sincere. I'm just giving you feedback I perceive it otherwise before you get carried away even more.
But i must say most of your posts are excellent. So my apologies for the unintended offense.

Thank you, that post was in response to people who suggested that certain people ought to have preferential treatment for their achievements.
Some people may prefer to reward performers and give them VIP treatment,some may not.

If you work for companies like Japanese manufacturers or Hewlett Packard, they dont distinguish and encourage class differences, managers and staff wear the same overalls , eat the same food in the canteen, sit in the same open office with no rooms for officers or managers. This is to encourage cammarderie and team spirit.

Possible it is also the Communist/Socialist way but it works as there is little distinction between staff and everyone has a common mission.To treat colleagues differently would be unthinkable, the only difference is performance bonuses.
Looks like such practice is unacceptable with societies in this region as we are pre-occupied with class, status and all that.
From experience giving preferential treatment to achievers come with other problems.
It does depend on culture and the type of activities being managed.

[extremenanopowe]

wa wa wa.... I say until dono what to say... lol.

[Bbn]

Pardon me for being less educated, civilised and lacking in comprehension.
But I can assure you I am not lacking in integrity.
Your post borders on sarcasm and ridicule. Maybe you got carried away.Maybe you were sincere. I'm just giving you feedback I perceive it otherwise before you get carried away even more.
But i must say most of your posts are excellent. So my apologies for the unintended offense.

Pls read staronline today on GM Kenny Goh's explanation. It would be the view of any professional person.

Of course common sense would say that badminton outfits are best run by badminton players but it depends on the size and mission of the outfit, easier to manage for a small club for eg.. At the moment there aren't enough smart baddy players with management expertise to manage, even anyone with some sports exposure must be good enough.The problem here is MS's conflict with BAM, not LCW or others, must BAM accomodate his requests ?
IF MS runs his own club he might turn out to be successful but point is should he run BAM?
I'm not saying BAM is right , as Kenny and James said they are revamping and just starting and should be given a chance.
In 2003 few gave MS a chance when he was picked coach given his rebellious nature but he did prove himself to a large extent. Dont you think he should also give the new BAM a chance?

[jug8man]

Of course, no 2 incidents are the same, but the intent to go independent exists in the TCS case, right or am I wrong?

Haha my response will sound like I endorse slavery or something from the pages of 'spartacus: blood and sand'...

TCS has not earned his 'freedom' (i.e. repay back his current investors in kind) and neither could he afford to buy his own freedom (i.e. get other investors to pay the old investor)

Simple business logic which still applies till today. If not... you have to change the entire Malaysian Badminton 'Industry'

muahaha

[Bbn]

Why do you think LYB have to arrange for TXH to guide LD in the quest for Olympic gold? Don't CHN have enough good coaches to help LD deliver?
Better still, why don't you suggest that LD plays in tournaments without coaches?

It's obvious that the reason BAM has to rethink MS 's resignation is because of LCW. He walks out, Yonex walks out, you think Proton will want to or have the money to support the rest of BAM with no results?

By the way, LCW does not pocket money, everything he earns is the reward for the cumulative efforts and sacrifices he (and MS ) puts in. You gotta ask why other MAS MS can't do it yet.Maybe if they can match LCW's discipline and diligence, they may. It's tough to live up to it. If it were so easy, any player can be WR1 for even a week.

Fact is there are also political reasons. MS can leave but the politicians wont allow LCW to stay if that is the case.
If it was some other coach the issue would not be blown so big. I will not divulge details as it has been done by someone else.
That is not to say MS is not a good coach to a certain extent, I think a great coach should also be great learner.
Just to cite an eg. as a student would you like to learn from a sifu who teaches you the same stuff he learned 20-30 years ago?
Even the reason for LCW's stand is public, he has difficulty adjusting to a new coach, and does not want this problem
to hamper his quest for 2012, is that a very selfless act or is he a team player in that respect?

[jug8man]

www.thestar.com.my
Wednesday January 12, 2011
Coaches, players should be open to changes, says BAM GM
KUALA LUMPUR: The new training and coaching structure is to strengthen Malaysia’s badminton programme for a better future.

And it is hoped that by putting the system in order, the BAM will be able to create a bigger pool of players.

The BAM general manager, Kenny Goh (pic), said yesterday that coaches and players should be open to changes for the betterment of the sport.

“We admit that we are short of talent now. We do not have enough players to win honours in high-level tournaments. But this is the result of our past system and we should not harp on it,” he said.

“We have already made changes and time must be given for this new system to take root. The BAM coaching and training committee have taken affirmative steps to create a bigger pool of players.

“Our new chairman, Ng Chin Chai, has put certain things in place. One is the appointment of a high performance director to streamline the programme.

“The performances of players and coaches are also more measurable now. We will make constant review to ensure its effectiveness.”

Currently, national training is divided into three sectors. There are coaches for the elite, elite back-up and junior squads. And goals and targets are set for each squad.
Players in the BAM camp also enjoy better remuneration packages following a recent review in incentives and allowances.